Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

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Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby kmbryant09 » Fri May 17, 2019 1:53 pm

Trying to get younger at WR while picking up multiple assets, trying to gauge the difference between my K. Allen and another owner's B. Cooks.

If I ask for his 2020 1st, would I have to throw in my 2nd? Is that even worth it? The other owner is probably a playoff team, but probably not among the top 2 - 3 in the league.

What makes up the difference between the two WRs?
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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby Gator Sens » Fri May 17, 2019 1:57 pm

Allen's name carries more clout for some reason, but I don't see a huge difference. A 2nd on the cooks side should do it
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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Fri May 17, 2019 2:28 pm

Narrative around Cooks is pretty negative atm. 2nd might not do it but I wouldn't want to add a 1st.

I'd try for someone like Corey Davis or Godwin and ask for a 1st on top. They are both on a career arc to match Cooks avg yearly production if they take the next step.
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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby Goddard » Fri May 17, 2019 2:34 pm

I like Cooks, but I'd still need at least a mid/late 1st on top of him to move Allen.

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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby kmbryant09 » Sun May 19, 2019 11:25 am

Any more thoughts?
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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby sloth8u » Sun May 19, 2019 11:38 am

Id check the cooks owner to see if he'd even add. Ive spent alot of time on a few teams this offseason and found i could have saved a bunch if time by simply getting a gauge of how my partners value my asset aswell as their own.

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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sun May 19, 2019 1:52 pm

Goddard wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 2:34 pm
I like Cooks, but I'd still need at least a mid/late 1st on top of him to move Allen.
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Cooks is more electric, but Allen is a Larry Fitzgerald level technician. He will be murdering DBs for several more years.
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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby hoos89 » Sun May 19, 2019 2:12 pm

I personally wouldn't add to Cooks for Keenan. Unless the Cooks owner came to you, I wouldn't expect an add. Of course you should ask for one, but don't be surprised if the ask is straight up.
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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby Finfansteve » Sun May 19, 2019 6:06 pm

SteveMaddensShoes wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 2:28 pm
Narrative around Cooks is pretty negative atm. 2nd might not do it but I wouldn't want to add a 1st.

I'd try for someone like Corey Davis or Godwin and ask for a 1st on top. They are both on a career arc to match Cooks avg yearly production if they take the next step.
I haven’t heard anything negative on cooks lately but I’ve been on vacation the last 10 days what have I missed?

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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby hoos89 » Sun May 19, 2019 7:26 pm

Finfansteve wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:06 pm
SteveMaddensShoes wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 2:28 pm
Narrative around Cooks is pretty negative atm. 2nd might not do it but I wouldn't want to add a 1st.

I'd try for someone like Corey Davis or Godwin and ask for a 1st on top. They are both on a career arc to match Cooks avg yearly production if they take the next step.
I haven’t heard anything negative on cooks lately but I’ve been on vacation the last 10 days what have I missed?
I don't think you missed anything. I disagree that the narrative around Cooks is negative.
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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby Hottoddies » Sun May 19, 2019 10:01 pm

kmbryant09 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 1:53 pm
Trying to get younger at WR while picking up multiple assets, trying to gauge the difference between my K. Allen and another owner's B. Cooks.

If I ask for his 2020 1st, would I have to throw in my 2nd? Is that even worth it? The other owner is probably a playoff team, but probably not among the top 2 - 3 in the league.

What makes up the difference between the two WRs?
I ran this through the DLF dynasty trade analyzer and Allen + 2020 2nd for Cooks + 2020 1st came out really even. I think I'd rather have Cooks and a 2020 1st. FWIW, Cooks & 2020 2nd wasn't enough for Allen.
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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby jwb32 » Mon May 20, 2019 6:27 am

Allen was WR11 while Cooks was WR15. And last year (and year before) Cooks was in a new system. I doubt any Cooks owner is adding a 1st (I certainly wouldn't). Maybe you could get a 2020 2nd.
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Re: Difference between K. Allen and B. Cooks

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Mon May 20, 2019 7:39 am

Agree that as a Cooks owner, I would not add a 1st to him to get Allen. I'd say Allen = Cooks + early/mid 2nd.
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