Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby Atlassteelz » Fri May 17, 2019 9:06 pm

After seeing the offers here I can see why I don’t own zeke anywhere, but would def look to trade him. Just ran zeke for Conner Moore engram on trade calc which isn’t everything, but gives good ballpark est. zeke worth 897 the package is worth 1321 without the 2020 1st lol so if you can get that do it

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby crip7300 » Fri May 17, 2019 9:26 pm

i think i would try to ask for some type of combination of these assets, Juju or Mixon, Engram or DJ Moore and 2020 1st. I would then start my rebuild around those assets and Evans and pretty much sell off everything else.
Team 1
12 team Non PPR
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex
QB Ryan Darnold
RB Bell Gurley Chubb Conner AJones
WR AB OBJ Parker Sanu Quinn Hurd
TE Waller Cook

Team 2
12 team PPR .5 RB/WR, 1 TE
1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 2Flex
QB Cam Darnold
RB Barkley Gurley Bell DJ Fournette
WR AB Juju Amari Cooks Watkins DJMoore
TE Kittle Njoku Hockenson

Team 3
12 Team Non PPR
QB 2RB 2WR TE 3Flex 1SF
QB Cam Stafford Darnold
RB Barkley Bell Fournette Coleman Lindsay MBrown
WR OBJ Evans Golladay Pettis Humphries Quinn Renfrow Conley
TE Cook Ebron

Team 4
12 Team PPR
QB 2RB 2WR TE 3Flex
QB BigBen
RB Gurley Barkley Mixon Mack
WR OBJ Juju DJMoore Kirk Metcalf
TE Kittle Herndon Waller

Team 5 Bestball
12 Team 30 Keeper
Superflex PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
1QB 2RB 2WR TE 4Flex 1SF DEF
QB Baker Darnold Carr
RB Gurley Sony Guice DamWilliams Ingram J. Hill Breida AP

WR Juju Diggs Cooks Golladay DJMoore AJBrown Hollywood Alshon JJAWS Tyrell Quinn Ross
TE Kittle Herndon Graham Jonnu

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby mmass » Fri May 17, 2019 10:02 pm

Michael Thomas str8 would work for me or Juju plus... but I don't think you are getting Mixon as well. If he wants Zeke he would need to pay up otherwise he doesn't want Zeke enough.
Deep Format - QQRRWWWTTFFDDKK 10 team PPR
Deep 1 Yr 3
Newton Watson Darnold
Gurley Zeke Henry Barber Kelly Brown Lynch
Nuk Allen Boyd Ridley Baldwin Crowder Snead Valdes-Scantling Wilson Renyolds Treadwell
Njoku Swaim Andrews J.Smith Jarwin

Deep 2 Yr 4
Brady Stafford Dalton Rosen Lock Brissett
Mixon CMC A.Jones Hyde Ja.Williams
AB Evans Hopkins Edelman Westbrook Pettis D.Jackson Gallup M.Boykin
Engram Gesicki Fant Griffen Seals

Superflex Format Q(SF)RWWFFTDK 12 Team PPR
SF1 - Yr 6
Wentz Rothlisberger Dak Taylor Brisset
Zeke Mixon Hyde Gio
M.Thomas A.Brown A.J.Green J.Landry Allison Kirk
Kelce Olson Hooper

SF2 - Yr 3
Watson Luck Rosen Foles Brissett Taylor
Barkley Gordon Ja.Williams R.Anderson
OBJ Hopkins Evans Shepard V.S.Marquez Reynolds Snead K.Harmon R.Ridley
Howard Gronk Warring

SF3 - Yr1
Goff Cousins Darnold Dalton
CMC Cohen Ito Edwards Peterson
Hopkins Boyd Lockett Shepard Allison T.Williams Parker Isabella Boykins Harmon
Njuku Burton

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby honcho55 » Fri May 17, 2019 10:59 pm

I’m not vindictive or anything, people can do as they will in a hobby. But if I’m shopping zeke and any single player is “off the board”? I’m looking for another trade partner. Not mad, just not interested.

Unless they blow me away with something like Connor DJ Moore Engram 2020 1st, I guess.
my main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -4 for INT
14 team
start 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT. Roster 15, 2 IR. keep 10 every year (must keep one each pos) *transitioning to more keepers/full dyno over a couple years

QB: Wilson, Carr
RB: E Elliot, D Henry, M Ingram, R Armstead, M Brown, R Mostert
WR. O. Beckham, J Smith-Schuster, M Thomas, P Williams
TE. T Kelce, D Goedert

2020 picks: three 1sts, three 3rds
(Project 1 top 3, one early-mid, one mid-late)
2021: two 1sts, three 2s, 3, two 4s
2022: three 1sts, 2nd, 3rd, 5th

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby Straycatz2 » Sat May 18, 2019 1:22 am

What happened to your 2019 picks and your 2020 1st round?
12 Team PPR Standard League 1xQB, 2xRB, 3xWR, 1xTE, 1xFlex - Full rebuild mode
QB: Wentz, Mushu, Brissett
RB: Carson, Penny, Hunt, Cohen, C. Thompson, Justice Hill, G. Edwards
WR: Golladay, Humphries, Campbell, J. Washington, Boykin
TE: Herndon, Hockenson, Andrews

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2020: 4x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby FuzzySignificance » Sat May 18, 2019 5:28 am

if you're selling him to rebuild, I'd ask for moore/engram and the two 2020 1sts. these are ancillary pieces and it should be a no brainer for him while hauling in nice value for you, I'd try to sell freeman after the season starts and he has a good game or two for a 2020 1st+, look to sell the TCole/Mckinnon package NOW for futures as well, this would put you in a good spot to build out for 2021.
12 team ppr, 1 qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 2 flex
QB: Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mariota
RB: Ezekiel Elliott, Le'Veon Bell, Kerryon Johnson, Peyton Barber, Ronald Jones, Darwin Thompson
WR: Amari Cooper, Adam Thielen, Antonio Brown, Will Fuller, DeDe Westbrook, Robby Anderson, Marquise Goodwin, Justin Watson, Albert Wilson, Greg Dortch
TE: Travis Kelce, Vance McDonald, Kyle Rudolph, Delanie Walker, Ian Thomas, Gerald Everett

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby MontrealBen » Sat May 18, 2019 6:13 am

My Roster (notable players)
QB: Cousins, Winston
RB: Zeke, Devonta Freeman, PLindsay, TColeman, McKinnon (other less noteworthy players)
WR: Evans, Woods, Tate, Crowder, Humphries, Baldwin (other less noteworthy players)
TE: Doyle, ASJ
Picks: 2020 2nd, 4th
It's a good team, but too many guys need to hit the top ends of their range of potentials to compete in a 12-teamer. I agree with the folks saying that you hold Zeke unless you get blown away. Flipping him for Michael Thomas is probably good value, but it doesn't move you any closer in a rebuild because all of your less valuable pieces stay put. So, two thoughts.

(1) IF you are going to sell Zeke, tell the whole league that he's on the block. If the Bell/Connor owner has actually made an offer, I think it's fair game to tell the league what sort of parameters are needed to get talks going. Something like "I already have an offer on the table of a top 10 back plus sweeteners". See who comes in strong. If no one does, then hold tight.

(2) Which pieces on your roster currently have significant value that is likely to have disappeared (or at least massively reduced) by the time you're ready to compete? Freeman jumps out, but I'd also move whichever of Lindsay/Coleman/McKinnon you can get good value for. Lindsay, in particular, is a guy that I would cash out on -- if you can find someone who sees him as a top 15 RB then you move him now to lock in that value. I can make the case for moving Woods, too -- at age 27, I think he's hit his ceiling as a safe WR2. Tate and Crowder are obvious sells, but most teams are going to shy away because they're no longer flashy names. And finally, if QBs hold any value at all in your league, try to move on. The Winston love is going to ramp up with Arians. Sell for a lower tier QB and a future pick. Or try to move Cousins for a lower tier young QB (Allen, Haskins, Mariota, Rosen, etc) who could improve plus some small piece.

In short, the only way I'd be moving Zeke or Evans is if I can get a big overpay, or if they're part of a blockbuster that helps you move on from guys who risk becoming roster cloggers by the time you're ready to compete.
(1) 10 team standard
Newton, Brady, Jackson
Mixon, Bell, Conner, Gordon, DFreeman, McCoy, Barber, Ballage
OBJ, Cooper, Godwin, Green, Boyd, MWilliams, CDavis, Quinn, PWilliams, ABrown
Ertz, Goedert, Burton
(1,2,2,3,3,4)

(2) 12 team, PPR, superflex, TE premium
Mahomes, Daniels, Lock
Cook, Mixon, Carson, Montgomery, Drake, Guice, Lindsay, White, ISmith, Ballage, JWilliams
Cooper, Godwin, Lockett, Moore, JGordon, Jeffrey, MVS, AWilson, Tate
Dissly, Witten
(1-7 + extra 3rd)

(3) 10 team, 0.5 PPR
Newton, Murray, Brissett
Kamara, Conner, RFreeman, Thompson, DaWilliams, DHenderson, ISmith, Hilliard, DeWilliams, Hill, Snell
Hopkins, Woods, MVS, DJax, Harry, Pettis, Ross, Tate, Quinn, Taylor, Ginn, Amendola, Wilson, Hamilton, Reynolds, Pascal, Cain, Pringle
Kelce, Goedert, Knox, Thomas, Watson, Kroft
(1-4 + 3 2nds)

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby Bisquiteen Trisket » Sat May 18, 2019 7:36 am

Straycatz2 wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 1:22 am
What happened to your 2019 picks and your 2020 1st round?
2019 draft already occurred. Last season I made a push for the championship and sold two 2019 1sts for Cousins, Freeman, Coleman and Tate. Then I sold off my 2020 1st and TY (and some other smaller pieces) for Evans. Looked like good value at the time, and I dont think it was a bad decision. But all those assets have depreciated since then, so it is what it is i guess.
1QB, 3WR 3RB 2TE 1 FLEX 1 SuperFlex - 10 teams
QB: Wilson, Rivers, Tannehill, Manning
RB: Bell, L Murray, Ajayi, Perkins, A Jones, Lacy, Williams, Yeldon
WR: OBJ, Nuk, E Sanders, AJG, Snead, Lockett, Desean, Meredith
TE: Gronk, Olsen, Henry, Gathers, Burton
2018: 1.06, 2.09, 3.09
2016 Champion - 2017, 2015, 2014 Runner up

1QB, 1RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 FLEX, 1DEF - 12 teams
QB: Luck, Cam, Brissett, Webb, Bradford
RB: DJ, Zeke, Freeman, Dixon, Crowell, Ekeler, McKissic, Foreman
WR: Cooks, Cooper, ARob, Moncrief, JMatt, Ross,
TE: Kelce, Njoku
1.06, 1.10, 2.01, 3.01

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby Bisquiteen Trisket » Sat May 18, 2019 7:39 am

MontrealBen wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 6:13 am
My Roster (notable players)
QB: Cousins, Winston
RB: Zeke, Devonta Freeman, PLindsay, TColeman, McKinnon (other less noteworthy players)
WR: Evans, Woods, Tate, Crowder, Humphries, Baldwin (other less noteworthy players)
TE: Doyle, ASJ
Picks: 2020 2nd, 4th
(1) IF you are going to sell Zeke, tell the whole league that he's on the block. If the Bell/Connor owner has actually made an offer, I think it's fair game to tell the league what sort of parameters are needed to get talks going. Something like "I already have an offer on the table of a top 10 back plus sweeteners". See who comes in strong. If no one does, then hold tight.
Good advice. Thanks for the well thought out response. Ive reached out to a few other owners individually, who are all interested, but Ill also open it up to the entire league. See what I can get.
1QB, 3WR 3RB 2TE 1 FLEX 1 SuperFlex - 10 teams
QB: Wilson, Rivers, Tannehill, Manning
RB: Bell, L Murray, Ajayi, Perkins, A Jones, Lacy, Williams, Yeldon
WR: OBJ, Nuk, E Sanders, AJG, Snead, Lockett, Desean, Meredith
TE: Gronk, Olsen, Henry, Gathers, Burton
2018: 1.06, 2.09, 3.09
2016 Champion - 2017, 2015, 2014 Runner up

1QB, 1RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 FLEX, 1DEF - 12 teams
QB: Luck, Cam, Brissett, Webb, Bradford
RB: DJ, Zeke, Freeman, Dixon, Crowell, Ekeler, McKissic, Foreman
WR: Cooks, Cooper, ARob, Moncrief, JMatt, Ross,
TE: Kelce, Njoku
1.06, 1.10, 2.01, 3.01

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Re: Sell Zeke and build for the future, or try to compete?

Postby pack4ever22 » Sat May 18, 2019 7:50 am

I'm in this league and just from knowing the league my honest advice would be to only move Zeke if the offer is too sweet to pass up. There are some really good teams in the league (some guy just won back to back championships) but you are absolutely a playoff team due to the weaker bottom end. You have some star power and decent enough depth. You will make the playoffs barring some unfortunate luck and once your in you never know whats going to happen. I just can't see looking to rebuild a team that is capable of making a playoff run.


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