4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby khaos337 » Thu May 16, 2019 8:51 am

Servo wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:00 pm
Hottoddies wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 8:16 pm
QB draft spots in my superflex league:

1.01 Kyler Murray
1.07 Dwayne Haskins
1.11 Drew Lock
2.04 Daniel Jones
4.06 Will Grier
4.12 Ryan Finley

The team that drafted both Daniel Jones and Will Grier may have been desperate since he only had one starting QB on his roster.
12 TM, .5PPR, SF, No K/DST
1.04 Murray
1.10 Haskins
To Be Continued
Murray 1.04 in SF!? :wtf:
T1

10 Team, .5 PPR, 2QB

'19 Champs

QB: Jackson, Kyler, Ben, Winston, Greir, Eason, Bortles
RB: Fournette, Gurley, Conner, Freeman, Duke Johnson, Hasty, McKinnon, Davis
WR: Hill, Ridley, M. Williams, Gallup, Parker, Perriman, Mims, Cephus, B. Edwards
TE: Andrews, Njoku, Irv Smith, Ian Thomas, Sample
K: Sloman
Def/ST: NE, SEA, NYG

T2

10 Team, .5 PPR, Devy, IDP, SF

QB: Mahomes, Wilson, Allen, Bridgewater, Rudolph, Rosen, Haskins, Mariota
RB: Jacobs, Sanders, J. Taylor, Singletary, Guice, Hines, Samuels, Gaskin, Perine, Scott
WR: M. Thomas, AJ Brown, Dionte, C. Samuel, Sutton, D. Samuel, Boykin, Campbell, P. Williams
TE: Hockenson, Herndon, Goedert, Hurst, Fant, Dissly, Thomas
K: Bailey
DL: Hunter, Garrett, Young, A Smith, Golden
LB: Bush, D. Jones, R. Smith, Alexander, Bush, Landry
DB: Peppers, Savage, Thornhill, Simmons, Fuller
TAXI: Stidham, Grier, Hurd, Irv Smith, Sternberger, Isabella, Cephus, J. Chase, Hubbard, Bateman

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby pvillebiker » Thu May 16, 2019 6:36 pm

QB's in my SF, TE-premium draft, last Thursday, May 9:

1.02 - K Murray
1.06 - D Haskins
2.01 - D Lock
2.08 - Daniel Jones
4.03 - R Finley
4.10 - W Grier
5.03 - J Stidham

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby schmity81 » Sat May 18, 2019 8:56 pm

DRAFT RESULTS:
1. Murray
2. Jacobs
3. Haskins (me) ***Thought i was getting Jacobs here
4. Nkeal
5. Lock
6. Daniel Jones
7. M. Sanders
8. AJ Brown
9. D. Montgomery
10. Metcalf (me)
11. M. Hardman
12. P. Campbell
13. Hockenson
14. Hollywood
15. D. Singletary
16. Fant (me)

12 team Superflex, standard scoring.

I was right in my prediction that 4 QBs would go before pick 7!!!

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby blemly » Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 am

My friend recently took Lock 1.09 and Jones 1.11, but he has Flacco and Manning as his only two QBs (recent dispersal) and has an otherwise solid team. So I guess in that specific sense I could understand reaching.
Team 1: 14-team PPR SF TE Prem:
QB: Jackson, Burrow
RB: Sanders, Guice, Dobbins
WR: DJM, Chark, Kupp, J. Jefferson, D-Jax
TE: Ebron, Warring

Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TE Prem:
QB: Wilson, Rivers, Foles, Mullens
RB: Mixon, Jacobs, Gibson, Hines, Guice
WR: DJM, Chark, Kupp, Landry, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku

Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Cam, Garopollo
RB: Kamara, Jacobs, Dobbins, Hunt, Hill
WR: Hill, AJB, McLaurin, Hardman, Perriman, Mims, Shenault
TE: Gesicki, OJH

Team 4 (Rebuild): 12-team PPR SF TE Prem
QB: Watson, Stafford
RB: JT, Swift, Akers, Gibson
WR: Lamb, D. Johnson, Pittman, Mims, Shenault, Campbell, Shepard
TE: Knox, Jarwin, Trautman
2021: 1,1,2,2

Team 5 (Rebuild): 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lock
RB: Sanders, Dobbins, Guice, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Edwards, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Hamler
TE: Herndon, Gesicki
2021: 1,1,1,1, 2, 2

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby diehard4life » Sun May 19, 2019 2:45 pm

My draft is June 1st: 12 team, Superflex, 1/2 PPR scoring—and I know that the 1.1 pick will be Murray because the owner traded into that pick to get him.

I traded out of that pick to get multiple no.1s in 2020 and Josh Rosen, LOL.

The word on the street pre-draft is also that 3-4 quarterbacks will go in round 1. I traded out of the first entirely because the talent is not there worthy of the round this year overall. I could get as big of a risk/reward in rd2, and boost my 2020 position in the process.

Not one QB in this draft is worthy of a first round pick post-draft, not even in a Superflex system. This draft has first round talent at TE, and a couple of WRs may be worthy of the position. It is a historically poor offensive year for rookie talent.

Back to QBs, Matt Waldman had only Will Grier as a top QB prospect before the draft, and even that changed after the draft for the worse. Grier was said to be the QB 4-6 if he had been part of the 2018 grouping. The only one comparably talented to that class.

Daniel Jones got failing marks in accuracy in all statistical categories from Waldman, among other negatives. He is said to be a product of the old school QB thinking of NFL execs, and the tape does not match the measurables.
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RB - R Freeman, D Johnson, N Hines, A Mattison, D Thompson, D Williams, Q Ollison, D Ogunbowale, J Hilliman
WR - D J Chark, R Anderson, T Smith, D Cain, D Hamilton, J J Arcega-Whiteside, H Butler, E Butler, M Boykin, K Doss, D Willis
TE - C Herndon IV, N Fant, G Everett
K - J Meyers
DST - NYJ

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1/1/1/1//2/5


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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby Servo » Mon May 20, 2019 6:57 am

10 TM, 2QB, Non-PPR

1.01 Murray
1.04 Haskins
2.05 Jones
2.06 Lock
4.01 Grier
4.05 Stidham
5.05 Finley
5.06 Stick

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12 TM, SF, .5PPR, No K/DST
1.04 Murray
1.10 Haskins
2.09 Jones
2.12 Lock
4.01 Stidham
4.06 Grier

In sum, on the average, you're probably seeing Murray and Haskins go within the Top 5 picks...and then Jones + Lock may fall deeper into the 2nd round at the latest.
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Dobbins, D. Williams, Mostert, Kerryon, B. Hill, Hines, Love, Laird, Perine NYJ
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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby schmity81 » Mon May 20, 2019 11:06 am

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby GronkosaurusRex » Mon May 27, 2019 3:54 pm

SF draft completed, QB results:
1.01 Murray
2.04 Haskins
3.01 Lock
3.10 Jones

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Tue May 28, 2019 12:38 pm

GronkosaurusRex wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 3:54 pm
SF draft completed, QB results:
1.01 Murray
2.04 Haskins
3.01 Lock
3.10 Jones
Wow, I don't even like Haskins or Jones that much, but those guys are steals at 2.04 and 3.10.
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12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby jwconnel » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:12 pm

Completed superflex draft, 12 teams, 5 rounds:
1.01 Murray
1.06 Haskins
2.03 Jones
2.10 Lock
4.08 Grier
5.05 Stidham

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby tom14cat14 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:30 pm

So I get Jones is not a very highly touted prospect (I have been against him until recently) But I am not arrogant enough to think I know more then professional scouts. They take him at 1.06 (even if it is the NYG) I have to give that some pretty strong consideration. Of course they get these wrong all the time but they also get them right too. And it is much easier to replace your chance at getting a solid WR then a solid QB.

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby Servo » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:27 am

QB is a position that I follow analytics scouting religiously because good QBs were normally "good" in college.

Analytics would have steered you towards: Goff, Watson, Mayfield, Darnold and even someone like Dak Prescott (although the NFL didn't feel the same) and helped you steer clear or be wary of guys like: Paxton Lynch, Bortles, Hackenberg, Kizer, etc.

Allen and Jackson - too early to tell, but we'll learn a lot more in 2019....both had issues throwing the ball in college and their rushing abilities have masked people's concern with their long-term outlook. Both had subpar high school and collegiate production.

Rosen - above average analytics but poor play + instability, he could find himself relegated to backup only duties after only 2 years.

Wentz - FCS, so he was a bit of a wild card.

Nick Mullens - analytics pointed to him being someone who could play QB at the next level, now, like Prescott, things broke his way to make it happen but the dude showed a hell of a lot more than Beathard.

ALL IN ALL, I'm not wasting a premium pick on guys with bad profiles, which both Lock and Jones have. Teams make QB mistakes all the time, the fact the NYG passed up all 5 guys last year for Daniel Jones is amazing. Granted, when you compare the long-term effectiveness of a WR or RB...might you be better off taking a QB instead? Sure, drafting enough DGB's or Kevin White's or Corey Coleman's can cause that.

If you already have a solid QB foundation and want some depth? Fine, take Jones or Lock when the value is right but if I'm hurting at the position, I'd rather trade for someone I know will be around for a while.
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2016 - Runner Up
2017 - Champion
2018 - Champion
2019 - lol


Mahomes, Stafford, Lock, Mariota, Tyrod
Dobbins, D. Williams, Mostert, Kerryon, B. Hill, Hines, Love, Laird, Perine NYJ
Hopkins, Allen, Thielen, Mims, Cooks, Fitz, Perriman, Ross
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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby lanemitchell96 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:25 am

We did a startup this year, all of us first time SF players, and the QBs went like this in our rookie draft:

1.02 Kyler Murray (me)
1.05 Dwayne Haskins
4.03 Drew Lock
4.04 Will Grier
4.08 Daniel Jones
5.03 Gardner Minshew
5.07 Jarrett Stidham (me)

Definitely an odd draft in terms of valuing QBs...

*Funny story - I was in talks to trade up to 1.01 from 1.02 to get Murray... I offered 1.02 and a 2021 1st OR 1.02 and one of my depth pieces. He (correctly) assumed I wanted Murray but he decided to turn down the deal and took Jacobs. Even after I told him I wanted Murray and only had 2 QB on my roster at that point :lol: :lol:
APEX PREDATORS (6-2):
PPR SF
LINEUP: QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, 2FLEX, SF
QB: Mahomes, Kyler, Tua, Tannehill, Hurts
RB: CMC, Miles, JRob, Gibson, JT, McFarland, Dillon, Dobbins, Pollard, Penny
WR: ARob, DJM, Godwin, Chark, Jefferson, Lamb, Diontae, Isabella, Shenault, PWill, Edwards
TE: Engram, Jonnu, Goedert, Gesicki
2021 PICKS: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 5th


LA CHARGERS (4-6):
32 TEAM SINGLE COPY, SALARY CAP, 53 MAN ROSTERS, TIERED PPR, TIERED IDP, RETURN YDS
LINEUP: QB, RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX, 2DE, DT, 3LB, 2CB, 2S, K, P

QB: Kyler, Hundley
RB: Gibson, Ahmed, Royce, XJones, Guerriero, Holyfield, Ekeler, Bolden
WR: Woods, Patterson, Isabella, Spencer, Zaccheaus, DMitchell, Hurd, JGordon
TE: LThomas, Hollister, Moreau, RSJ
DT: ADonald, TCrawford
DE: JAllen, Wolfe, Obada, Banogu, Jelks
LB: Klein, Mercilus, Ferguson, Simmons, Perryman, LCarter
CB: Ryan, MDavis, KeFuller, SJones, KWilliams
S: Boston, Willis, Epps, Addae, Gilman, DJames
K: Zeurlein
P: Berry, Colquitt
2021 PICKS: 2nd, 2nd, 5th, 5th

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby mmass » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:55 pm

I just drafted Lock 3.02 pick 22
Superflex Format Q(SF)RWWFFTDK 12 Team PPR
SF1 - Yr 2
Goff Ryan Darnold Dalton
CMC Cohen Hines McFarland Peterson
Hopkins Adams Boyd Jeffery Shepard Boykins Higgins Quntez Duverney
Andrews Waller


SF2 - Yr 7 - 2019 Champ
Wentz Dak Goff Grier Brisset
Cook Mixon Hyde Mattison Edmonds Boone
M.Thomas Sutton Edelman J.Landry
Kittle Goedart Higbee


SF3 - Yr 4
Watson Burrow Goff Foles
Barkley Ja.Williams
Hopkins Evans Sutton Lamb Shepard VSM K.Harmon
Higbee Smith Howard


SF4 - Orphan Year 2
Dak Jones Taylor Brisset Eason Hurts
Taylor CEH Edmonds Dobbins
Boyd Ridley Mclaurin Lamb Reagor Harry Bryan Perriman Hurd
Andrews Goedart

2020 2 1st & 2nd

Deep Format - QQRRWWWTTFFDDKK 10 team PPR
Deep 2 Yr 5
Brady Stafford Lock Dalton Brissett
CMC Mixon Taylor Dillon DJ Hyde
Evans Hopkins Julio Edelman Gallup D.Jackson Mimz Claypool Boykin
Engram Gesicki Fant Herndon Dissly

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Re: 4 QBs taken before 1.07?!?!

Postby snuffalupicus » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:44 am

The hate has gone too far for Jones. Your mistake if you pass him up. He’s worth a later 1st imo. If the Giants go 1-6 he’ll start the rest of the way. Reports say he’s looking good too.
*2016 3rd* *2017 CHAMP* 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX, 1 K, 3 IDP, 1 Team DEF

QB - L Jackson, B Mayfield
RB - M Sanders, CE-Helaire, J Jacobs, M Brown, D Dallas, S Barkley, J Jackson, L McCoy
WR - M Thomas, A Brown, DJ Chark, B Edwards, M Pittman, D Johnson, P Williams, D Samuel
TE - T Higbee, D Goedert, M Gesicki, J Akins
K - J Tucker
IDP - J Collins, E Kendricks, L David
Def - Denver, Minnesota
2021 - 2 1sts


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QB - C Newton, J Winston, Tannehill
RB - T Gurley, M Sanders, J Conner, J McKinnon, M Brown, K Ballage, A Jones, S Michel, J Samuels, D Harris, R Penny
WR - O Beckham, D Hopkins, A Hurns, J Gordon, M Boykin, J Jeudy, D Johnson, H Ruggs, M Valdes-Scantling, P Williams
TE - N Fant, C Herndon, T, Hockenson
IDP - D Campbell, LJ Fort, J Collins, C Jones, E Wilson


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