SHHHHH,
I have a draft coming up on the 12th in my money league.
Think he will be a stud in 3 years and going un-drafted in a lot of leagues.
SHHHHH,
I'm in a couple leagues that I'm really TE needy. I don't see Herndon as any great value. I wouldn't pay more than a late round flier (4th rounder, late 3rd maybe). There are a lot of "young, high potential but haven't done anything yet" TEs, so why pay much? It can take a couple years to see if they pan out.Bot101 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:33 am My home league is fast asleep on Herndon. Not only have I never even received an offer but I've thrown him into trades that were close to seal the deal and he didnt get me anywhere. Even TE needy teams arent interested. I wasnt valuing him enough when I was shopping. And recently I've corrected that mistake.
One pays for upside production. Obviously if you don't see the potential then you are not going to pay.Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:15 amI'm in a couple leagues that I'm really TE needy. I don't see Herndon as any great value. I wouldn't pay more than a late round flier (4th rounder, late 3rd maybe). There are a lot of "young, high potential but haven't done anything yet" TEs, so why pay much? It can take a couple years to see if they pan out.Bot101 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:33 am My home league is fast asleep on Herndon. Not only have I never even received an offer but I've thrown him into trades that were close to seal the deal and he didnt get me anywhere. Even TE needy teams arent interested. I wasnt valuing him enough when I was shopping. And recently I've corrected that mistake.
^ This seems crazy to me. No offense. But, you couldn't be more polar opposite than me on this view point. Maybe your right and I'm way off base on projections and valuations. For those of you saying Herndon isn't undervalued. Just read what Pac eddy wrote. It is as if he knows but doesnt know. He plays fantasy football but maybe doesn't watch too much of it. Maybe he is new to dynasty. But.... if you wait a couple years and a TE does pan out.... then that guy costs as much as Kittle. Herndon flashed big time last year. He is way young, is paired with a young and up coming QB and has "the" or at least close to the worst wr corp in the league. Yes, they added Bell. But, Bell coming off a whole year off is (IMO) destined to miss time, plus, lets not forget Bell hasn't been totally clean off the feild and it only takes one little screw up. Herndon's target share may not grow by leaps and bounds but - it doesn't have to.Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:15 amI'm in a couple leagues that I'm really TE needy. I don't see Herndon as any great value. I wouldn't pay more than a late round flier (4th rounder, late 3rd maybe). There are a lot of "young, high potential but haven't done anything yet" TEs, so why pay much? It can take a couple years to see if they pan out.Bot101 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:33 am My home league is fast asleep on Herndon. Not only have I never even received an offer but I've thrown him into trades that were close to seal the deal and he didnt get me anywhere. Even TE needy teams arent interested. I wasnt valuing him enough when I was shopping. And recently I've corrected that mistake.
If you dont believe then fine. But he looked great when was finally allowed to play. And his chemistry with Darnold was apparent right away. Nobody will sell a TE with the current landscape for free (3rds and 4ths). I think I tried to sell for a mid 2nd and was shot down. To me that was a perfectly fair and reasonable price.Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:15 amI'm in a couple leagues that I'm really TE needy. I don't see Herndon as any great value. I wouldn't pay more than a late round flier (4th rounder, late 3rd maybe). There are a lot of "young, high potential but haven't done anything yet" TEs, so why pay much? It can take a couple years to see if they pan out.Bot101 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:33 am My home league is fast asleep on Herndon. Not only have I never even received an offer but I've thrown him into trades that were close to seal the deal and he didnt get me anywhere. Even TE needy teams arent interested. I wasnt valuing him enough when I was shopping. And recently I've corrected that mistake.
No offense taken. I've played fantasy football for a long time and there are a lot of these types of TEs. I agree, if they do it, the price is high to acquire. But the odds of hitting is so low, and they CAN be had as throw-ins or if rosters are tight, when they're cut. In today's TE environment, it takes very little production to be a top 10 guy, so even if you have a terrible TE, you're not that far behind.JFever wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:47 am^ This seems crazy to me. No offense. But, you couldn't be more polar opposite than me on this view point. Maybe your right and I'm way off base on projections and valuations. For those of you saying Herndon isn't undervalued. Just read what Pac eddy wrote. It is as if he knows but doesnt know. He plays fantasy football but maybe doesn't watch too much of it. Maybe he is new to dynasty. But.... if you wait a couple years and a TE does pan out.... then that guy costs as much as Kittle. Herndon flashed big time last year. He is way young, is paired with a young and up coming QB and has "the" or at least close to the worst wr corp in the league. Yes, they added Bell. But, Bell coming off a whole year off is (IMO) destined to miss time, plus, lets not forget Bell hasn't been totally clean off the feild and it only takes one little screw up. Herndon's target share may not grow by leaps and bounds but - it doesn't have to.Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:15 amI'm in a couple leagues that I'm really TE needy. I don't see Herndon as any great value. I wouldn't pay more than a late round flier (4th rounder, late 3rd maybe). There are a lot of "young, high potential but haven't done anything yet" TEs, so why pay much? It can take a couple years to see if they pan out.Bot101 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:33 am My home league is fast asleep on Herndon. Not only have I never even received an offer but I've thrown him into trades that were close to seal the deal and he didnt get me anywhere. Even TE needy teams arent interested. I wasnt valuing him enough when I was shopping. And recently I've corrected that mistake.
Fair enough. Good answerPac_Eddy wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 10:33 amNo offense taken. I've played fantasy football for a long time and there are a lot of these types of TEs. I agree, if they do it, the price is high to acquire. But the odds of hitting is so low, and they CAN be had as throw-ins or if rosters are tight, when they're cut. In today's TE environment, it takes very little production to be a top 10 guy, so even if you have a terrible TE, you're not that far behind.JFever wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:47 am^ This seems crazy to me. No offense. But, you couldn't be more polar opposite than me on this view point. Maybe your right and I'm way off base on projections and valuations. For those of you saying Herndon isn't undervalued. Just read what Pac eddy wrote. It is as if he knows but doesnt know. He plays fantasy football but maybe doesn't watch too much of it. Maybe he is new to dynasty. But.... if you wait a couple years and a TE does pan out.... then that guy costs as much as Kittle. Herndon flashed big time last year. He is way young, is paired with a young and up coming QB and has "the" or at least close to the worst wr corp in the league. Yes, they added Bell. But, Bell coming off a whole year off is (IMO) destined to miss time, plus, lets not forget Bell hasn't been totally clean off the feild and it only takes one little screw up. Herndon's target share may not grow by leaps and bounds but - it doesn't have to.Pac_Eddy wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:15 am
I'm in a couple leagues that I'm really TE needy. I don't see Herndon as any great value. I wouldn't pay more than a late round flier (4th rounder, late 3rd maybe). There are a lot of "young, high potential but haven't done anything yet" TEs, so why pay much? It can take a couple years to see if they pan out.
On the flip side, having guys with my opinion on these TEs keeps the price lower for you to acquire them.
Waller is probably on the waiver in most leagues, and can probably be grabbed with a 5th round rookie-draft pick or something. i.e. He's practically free. Obviously, this isn't bad at all for a projected starter on his offense with freak metrics.djeternal2 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:38 pm I know the TE position is crap after the top 3; but, I think we can safely say Waller is NOT the answer.
Are you anticipating '19 relevance?
Three years is longer than I prefer to wait for TE stashes in 1TE leagues. Typically a long-incubating TE like that can be 'stored' on the waiver for a year or two before one actually has to roster-stash him in anticipation of his breakout.
I was on the Waller train years back because of said metrics. But now he's been popped not once but twice for banned substances. Are the metrics in part due to possible PEDs? He is imo a classic underwear champion. He didn't have the on field metrics from college to justify the hype which I already admitted I got suckered into. Over his 3 year collegiate career he had 51 rec 971 yds 9 TDS in 33 games. I understand he's cheap; but, just because a guy is cheap doesn't mean he's a value. I'll be surprised if Moreau doesn't over take Waller sooner rather than later.ninotoreS wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:46 amWaller is probably on the waiver in most leagues, and can probably be grabbed with a 5th round rookie-draft pick or something. i.e. He's practically free. Obviously, this isn't bad at all for a projected starter on his offense with freak metrics.djeternal2 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:38 pm I know the TE position is crap after the top 3; but, I think we can safely say Waller is NOT the answer.
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