Tua vs Lawrence

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Tua vs Lawrence

Postby Pullo Vision » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:39 am

How do these two college players compare? Who has the higher ceiling, and the firmer floor? How do they compare to recent prospects? Given how strong a number of people think next year's draft is for dynasty, where would you slot them? Are these two the only high quality prospects likely to come out next year?
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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby Krypto_King » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:50 am

Lawrence is class of 21 and I'd say he has the higher ceiling based on tools and frame. He was the best FR I can remember so I'd think he will be up there with Baker, Luck, Stafford, Cam, Bradford as the best prospects in the last 10-15 years. Some other big names for '20 - Fromm, Eason, Patterson, Herbert

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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby tresskid84 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:06 am

Generation talent is a phrase that gets thrown around a lot, but Trevor Lawrence is an actual Generational talent. Tua looks like he could be a great qb, but talents like Lawrence are rare
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RB: Herbert, Felton, Evans, Nwangwu, Calais
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QB: Tua, Fields, Brissett, Foles, Purdy(D), T Morgan(D)
RB: Etienne, Gainwell, Homer, T Jones, J Hill, Ragas, Sargent, Calais, Funk,
WR: Cephus, Nico, J Palmer, Gage, Quez, P Williams, JJAW, Strachan, Proche, Lil'Jordan, Shi Smith, Fryfogle(D)
TE: Moreau, Maxx, H Long, RSJ, Tyree J
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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby -THE DUDE- » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:31 am

I'd take Lawrence over Tua any day and not even close. Lawrence is possibly the best prospect to come out since Peyton Manning.
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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby Pullo Vision » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:05 pm

I saw that championship game last year and Tua looked amazing. Thanks for clarifying for me he is nowhere near as good as Lawrence. Thanks for the list, Krypto. How should these QB prospects be tiered?- Tua, Fromm, Eason, Patterson, Herbert.
League #1- 14 tm ppr, 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1K
1 DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 1 CB, 1 S, 1 flex

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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby tresskid84 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:14 am

Pullo Vision wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:05 pm I saw that championship game last year and Tua looked amazing. Thanks for clarifying for me he is nowhere near as good as Lawrence. Thanks for the list, Krypto. How should these QB prospects be tiered?- Tua, Fromm, Eason, Patterson, Herbert.
I'm not Krypto, but I have them Tua, Herbert, Fromm, Eason, and Patterson.
2021-Orphan Rebuild, 12tm PPR, SF, 1.75 TE Prem
2 SF, 8 Flex

QB: Mayfield, Z Wilson, D Jones, Heinicke, Rudolph, Foles
RB: Herbert, Felton, Evans, Nwangwu, Calais
WR: D Smith, Waddle, Chark, J Palmer, D P-J, Raymond, Washington, Jauan, Darden, Fehoko, Smith-Marsette, C Johnson, Proche, Shi Smith, A Tate, ESB, JJAW
TE: O'Shaughnessy, Moreau, Granson, Tyree J, Hu Bryant, Hopkins, Fortson
2022 Picks: 1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 2.01, 2.09, and 3.02
2023 Picks: six 1sts, my 2nd

2021-Orphan Rebuild, 16tm PPR, SF, 1.5pr TE, DEVY:
1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 SF, 3 Flex
Draft is rookies and devy (only 2022 NFL eligible)

QB: Tua, Fields, Brissett, Foles, Purdy(D), T Morgan(D)
RB: Etienne, Gainwell, Homer, T Jones, J Hill, Ragas, Sargent, Calais, Funk,
WR: Cephus, Nico, J Palmer, Gage, Quez, P Williams, JJAW, Strachan, Proche, Lil'Jordan, Shi Smith, Fryfogle(D)
TE: Moreau, Maxx, H Long, RSJ, Tyree J
2022 Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 2.12, 3.02, 3.07, 3.10, 3.11, 3.12, 3.15, 4.01, 4.02, 4.05, 4.07, 4.12, 4.15

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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby Pullo Vision » Wed May 01, 2019 5:04 pm

tresskid84 wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:14 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:05 pm I saw that championship game last year and Tua looked amazing. Thanks for clarifying for me he is nowhere near as good as Lawrence. Thanks for the list, Krypto. How should these QB prospects be tiered?- Tua, Fromm, Eason, Patterson, Herbert.
I'm not Krypto, but I have them Tua, Herbert, Fromm, Eason, and Patterson.
Thanks, tresskid!
League #1- 14 tm ppr, 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1K
1 DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 1 CB, 1 S, 1 flex

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League #3- 12 tm PPR, 1Q, 0R (yes, ZERO RB) 3W, 1T, 2 R/W/T flex, 1 Def

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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby Pullo Vision » Wed May 01, 2019 7:13 pm

Vegas odds list Tua most likely to go #1 overall next year, Fromm and Herbert IP next- https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... t-in-2020/
League #1- 14 tm ppr, 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1K
1 DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 1 CB, 1 S, 1 flex

League #2- 12 team PPR, 1Q, 1R, 2W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1 W/R/T, 1 Def

League #3- 12 tm PPR, 1Q, 0R (yes, ZERO RB) 3W, 1T, 2 R/W/T flex, 1 Def

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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby Smoking Guns » Wed May 01, 2019 8:01 pm

Lawrence much higher ceiling- true freshman lit it up last year, including the almighty Bama. Best prospect since Luck imo.

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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby ehasz15 » Sat May 25, 2019 5:43 pm

Forgot about Fields!!!!!!!!! Just wait

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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby Smoking Guns » Sat May 25, 2019 5:47 pm

Lawrence and it isn’t close for me- higher floor and ceiling, different classes though so you won’t have to make that decision - Lawrence still has two years and Tua is eligible next year

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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby MoneyPumpkins » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:17 am

In a superflex, would you give up Devante Adams for devy rights to Lawrence?
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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby Lumps » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:04 am

MoneyPumpkins wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:17 am In a superflex, would you give up Devante Adams for devy rights to Lawrence?
Oof. That's a tough one. So much could go wrong for Lawrence before he's drafted as he had two more years. But it could basically be owning Peyton for his entire career in a SF.

It's easy to get caught up in the love but I think you still need something coming back to shop Adams.
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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby Krypto_King » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:39 pm

things change so quick in devy. Lawrence having a down year, Tua looking very good but probably not quite elite prospect. Joe Burrow off the top rope out of nowhere

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Re: Tua vs Lawrence

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:57 pm

tresskid84 wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:06 am Generation talent is a phrase that gets thrown around a lot, but Trevor Lawrence is an actual Generational talent. Tua looks like he could be a great qb, but talents like Lawrence are rare
Nope. He's too inaccurate. I'm totally against this assessment of Lawrence, and have posted this elsewhere. Lawrence does not have the accuracy or anticipation to make him a truly great NFL QB. I'd take Burrow coming out of college over him. He had a great freshman year, for a freshman, but he just doesn't display the accuracy needed for the next level, consistently, yet. I don't see it.

Edit/ I missed this was posted pre 2019 season. Apologies.
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