Josh Jacobs: Moving On Up

[jenkins.math]

AJ or Marquise? Hope it's not the 166lb guy.

The funny thing is that Marquise might be one of the top values in this class right now. He's not even mocked in the first round in DLF Superflex ADP. The injury has a lot to do with it, but if he's over that, then he's arguably the best route runner and separator at all 3 levels in this class.

I've got pick 11 and pick 14 in one of my rookie drafts, I'm not sure how it'll all shakeout but I expect Fant/Hockenson/Brown all to be there with the 14th pick. I'm pretty torn. It's a TE premium league. I just wish brown was his speed at 185-190 like Hill...dude is a great football player but I'm jsut worried how successful he can be when players like Jalen Ramsey are going to eat his lunch at the line.

If both Fant and Hockenson are there at pick 14 in a TE premium league then your league mates are totally clueless.

[Titans95]

The funny thing is that Marquise might be one of the top values in this class right now. He's not even mocked in the first round in DLF Superflex ADP. The injury has a lot to do with it, but if he's over that, then he's arguably the best route runner and separator at all 3 levels in this class.

I've got pick 11 and pick 14 in one of my rookie drafts, I'm not sure how it'll all shakeout but I expect Fant/Hockenson/Brown all to be there with the 14th pick. I'm pretty torn. It's a TE premium league. I just wish brown was his speed at 185-190 like Hill...dude is a great football player but I'm jsut worried how successful he can be when players like Jalen Ramsey are going to eat his lunch at the line.

If both Fant and Hockenson are there at pick 14 in a TE premium league then your league mates are totally clueless.

Maybe i'm underestimating them, they left Gesicki until pick 2.06 last season and I got Goedert in the middle/late 3rd round. It's also SF so I'd expect 3 QB's to go in the 1st round as well.

[Cameron Giles]

I’m increasingly open to smaller WR’s but they have to at least be bigger than me lol. I would be pissed if my favorite team drafted a high schooler in the first round.

We've discussed this a ton, but in a league where a ton of rules have been added to benefit offensive players, weight really isn't a huge factor anymore. There are probably a bunch of WRs playing at less than their 180 pound billed weight.

Josh Jacobs weighed in under 180? He'd BETTER switch to WR...

In a league where 5'8, 190 Phillip Lindsay ran for 1000...

[Valhalla]

We've discussed this a ton, but in a league where a ton of rules have been added to benefit offensive players, weight really isn't a huge factor anymore. There are probably a bunch of WRs playing at less than their 180 pound billed weight.

Josh Jacobs weighed in under 180? He'd BETTER switch to WR...

In a league where 5'8, 190 Phillip Lindsay ran for 1000...

BMI matters

[Cameron Giles]

Josh Jacobs weighed in under 180? He'd BETTER switch to WR...

In a league where 5'8, 190 Phillip Lindsay ran for 1000...

BMI matters

No idea what his is, but I'd guess Lindsay was playing at 180-185 last season at RB. Either way, the NFL isn't that physical anymore from a hit standpoint.

[AZK]

Sigh. A year ago people couldn't wait for N'Keal Harry. Another 1000 yard season, weighs in at more than 225lbs, runs the forty in 4.53 and we're bored of him already and wishing he was Jerry Jeudy. Let's be truthful for a minute. Swift and Ettiene aside, no-one has a clue how next year's class will stack up to this one.
Last year was epic for RBs. This year was never supposed to be. Instead, having happily drafted some good smaller receivers in recent years we were waiting for the big boys to arrive. We worried pre-combine that maybe they weren't big. They are. Maybe they would all be slow. They're fast. It's just so much cooler though to be a cynic. Everyone is dreadful. No-one can play...

Factory of Sadness with a positive post, you are a walking conundrum.

[Valhalla]

Sigh. A year ago people couldn't wait for N'Keal Harry. Another 1000 yard season, weighs in at more than 225lbs, runs the forty in 4.53 and we're bored of him already and wishing he was Jerry Jeudy. Let's be truthful for a minute. Swift and Ettiene aside, no-one has a clue how next year's class will stack up to this one.
Last year was epic for RBs. This year was never supposed to be. Instead, having happily drafted some good smaller receivers in recent years we were waiting for the big boys to arrive. We worried pre-combine that maybe they weren't big. They are. Maybe they would all be slow. They're fast. It's just so much cooler though to be a cynic. Everyone is dreadful. No-one can play...

Factory of Sadness with a positive post, you are a walking conundrum.

The factory is pumping out some joy lately...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa9WCcO ... e=youtu.be

[Jfever]

If Parris Campbell goes to KC in Round 1 (I've seen a couple mocks place him there) ... he's shoots up to 1.01 for me.

Ok Forza, with this approach, you might value situation over talent. Perhaps you see Campbell as equally talented to Brown or Kneal or whomever and that landing spot is your tie breaker. But... be careful of over drafting players that land in a perceived good landing spot.

#MonteBall

[Forza_Azzurri]

If Parris Campbell goes to KC in Round 1 (I've seen a couple mocks place him there) ... he's shoots up to 1.01 for me.

Ok Forza, with this approach, you might value situation over talent. Perhaps you see Campbell as equally talented to Brown or Kneal or whomever and that landing spot is your tie breaker. But... be careful of over drafting players that land in a perceived good landing spot.

#MonteBall

My evaluation of him is A+ athlete that was held back by his offense/QB until last year so it's hard to determine how could of a receiver he really is. He likely has to improve his route running and his concentration, but I couldn't think of a better coach to help him develop than Andy Reid. It's not just a good landing spot because of KCs production ... it's a good landing spot because Reid is so good at knowing how to utilize the talents of his players.

So I guess I am saying that Campbell has the talent and being in the right situation will allow him to showcase it ... kind of like Michael Thomas who wasn't that impressive coming out of OSU.

[Ice]

If Parris Campbell goes to KC in Round 1 (I've seen a couple mocks place him there) ... he's shoots up to 1.01 for me.

Ok Forza, with this approach, you might value situation over talent. Perhaps you see Campbell as equally talented to Brown or Kneal or whomever and that landing spot is your tie breaker. But... be careful of over drafting players that land in a perceived good landing spot.

#MonteBall

My evaluation of him is A+ athlete that was held back by his offense/QB until last year so it's hard to determine how could of a receiver he really is. He likely has to improve his route running and his concentration, but I couldn't think of a better coach to help him develop than Andy Reid. It's not just a good landing spot because of KCs production ... it's a good landing spot because Reid is so good at knowing how to utilize the talents of his players.

So I guess I am saying that Campbell has the talent and being in the right situation will allow him to showcase it ... kind of like Michael Thomas who wasn't that impressive coming out of OSU.

No idea where he gets drafted but he is a really good player. Think he may surprise on NFL draft day and go higher than many think. Round 1 is not out of the question but probably a lock round 2 pick.

[Jfever]

Fair enough. I liked what I saw from Campbell but, I didn't see a potential top 3-5 wr in the NFL. That could change though, I admit. I guess it goes to show us a little about this draft then. I myself don't see Campbell in the same light as you do. I also don't own the 1.01 anywhere. So... I guess it isn't a huge problem for me. My earliest pick is the 1.03 or 1.04 I think. I'll be taking BPA regardless of landing spot with my pick. Not sure whom it will be yet... Tough year to have an early pick or to have invested in multiple 2019 picks.

[Cameron Giles]

Campbell will need some manufactured touches to get going while he develops. He has some Harvin/Patterson vibes in how he's able to impact a game. It definitely seems like he'll get drafted higher than anyone initially thought.

[tresskid84]

I made an edit to the original post, lol

[Forza_Azzurri]

I made an edit to the original post, lol

Lol ... I’m sorry. I’m partly responsible for derailing the threa ... but I look at it as a public service so that this thread didn’t become like all the Metcalf 3 cone drill threads.

[Cult of Dionysus]

I made an edit to the original post, lol

Lol ... I’m sorry. I’m partly responsible for derailing the threa ... but I look at it as a public service so that this thread didn’t become like all the Metcalf 3 cone drill threads.

Metcalf slipped on a single drill, one which has little relevance to running routes or catching passes. If anyone thinks he has Tom Brady athleticism, dont draft him and let him drop.