Sigh. This is so lazy. I’ve been more than fair handed with analyzing players I own. And I, like many, own various players on many different teams. In this case, I own Damien Williams in one league, and Hyde in multiple, being a lifelong 49ers fan(it’s the reason I know from seeing every snap of his in the NFL up until this year that he is a minus back over replacement level). Low effort trolls on here, especially several who have apparently posted here for a very long time, just don’t like facing reality, so they attack posters and not content. Every, single, petty argument derailing a thread on these boards is started by one of these few posters.Hottoddies wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:10 pmJust a case of extreme ownership bias; something that has been going on a lot around here lately.
Damien Williams - convince me
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me
Team 1
10 team .5 PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 1Flex
QB: Brees, Cousins
RB: McCaffery, Guice, D Williams, Breida, Drake, Penny, S Ware, R Jones, J Adams, I Smith
WR: A Brown, Jeffery, Robinson, Ridley, Pettis, Miller, Shepard, Callaway, MVS, Washington
TE: Kelce, Herndon
Picks:
2019 1.10, 2.10, 3.10, 4.10
2020 1, 2, 3, 4
*2018 Champ*
10 team .5 PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 1Flex
QB: Brees, Cousins
RB: McCaffery, Guice, D Williams, Breida, Drake, Penny, S Ware, R Jones, J Adams, I Smith
WR: A Brown, Jeffery, Robinson, Ridley, Pettis, Miller, Shepard, Callaway, MVS, Washington
TE: Kelce, Herndon
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2019 1.10, 2.10, 3.10, 4.10
2020 1, 2, 3, 4
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me
I hate it when someone bases an argument on "ownership bias", but that's not a new concept here- viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19348&hilit=ownership+bias
A fairly sustained discussion about ownership bias (also referred to as wishful thinking) in a thread about CJ Prosise- viewtopic.php?f=5&t=135017&hilit=owners ... 0#p1181048
A fairly sustained discussion about ownership bias (also referred to as wishful thinking) in a thread about CJ Prosise- viewtopic.php?f=5&t=135017&hilit=owners ... 0#p1181048
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me
I'm sorry, it wasn't my intent to attack you. I normally endeavor to not attack the poster if I disagree but rather the post itself. Of course that line can be blurry at times. Due to the seemingly excessive over the top posts, I felt that they may of been the result of "ownership bias". I've been noticing a lot of posters plagued by this same bias lately. I certainly appreciate all the time and energy you bring to the debate. I may not always agree with every post, but I always learn something from them. So, thank you. And remember, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a troll.Elroypedro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:36 pmSigh. This is so lazy. I’ve been more than fair handed with analyzing players I own. And I, like many, own various players on many different teams. In this case, I own Damien Williams in one league, and Hyde in multiple, being a lifelong 49ers fan(it’s the reason I know from seeing every snap of his in the NFL up until this year that he is a minus back over replacement level). Low effort trolls on here, especially several who have apparently posted here for a very long time, just don’t like facing reality, so they attack posters and not content. Every, single, petty argument derailing a thread on these boards is started by one of these few posters.Hottoddies wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:10 pmJust a case of extreme ownership bias; something that has been going on a lot around here lately.
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Don't apologize. He can't handle difference of opinion or criticism. He calls people trolls if they disagree on him at all, meanwhile he trolls people in the most outlandish way possible. He went so far as to call people who believed Gurley was injured on par with flat earth believers, and people who belief the elite sacrifice young children or some nonsense, and reports people constantly. I'll probably get reported for saying this. The guy is condescending beyond belief. He is also an absolutist. His opinion is the absolute. People" just don't like facing reality". His post thread history is littered with an absolutist mentality that should not be questioned or criticized. I was simply going to ignore his posts, but had to chime in here. He constantly attacks people's intelligence yet tells claims to be the victim every chance he gets.Hottoddies wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:42 pmI'm sorry, it wasn't my intent to attack you. I normally endeavor to not attack the poster if I disagree but rather the post itself. Of course that line can be blurry at times. Due to the seemingly excessive over the top posts, I felt that they may of been the result of "ownership bias". I've been noticing a lot of posters plagued by this same bias lately. I certainly appreciate all the time and energy you bring to the debate. I may not always agree with every post, but I always learn something from them. So, thank you. And remember, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a troll.Elroypedro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:36 pmSigh. This is so lazy. I’ve been more than fair handed with analyzing players I own. And I, like many, own various players on many different teams. In this case, I own Damien Williams in one league, and Hyde in multiple, being a lifelong 49ers fan(it’s the reason I know from seeing every snap of his in the NFL up until this year that he is a minus back over replacement level). Low effort trolls on here, especially several who have apparently posted here for a very long time, just don’t like facing reality, so they attack posters and not content. Every, single, petty argument derailing a thread on these boards is started by one of these few posters.Hottoddies wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:10 pm
Just a case of extreme ownership bias; something that has been going on a lot around here lately.
To the topic of ownership bias, there is quite a bit of it on this thread. I think Williams may be the top back on KC to start the year. Whether or not he finishes the year as that is wide open. With the recent developments of Hill, this offense could really be put into a different situation. Losing Hill is a HUGE loss for a RB in KC. Hill is such a threat for safeties, the loss of him would tremendously alter that entire offense, and not in a good way. While there may be more targets etc., it will hurt their efficiency. Hill is more than just a prolific WR. He changes the way a defense focuses and lines up. IF he is suspended, this will allow safeties much more confidence and ability to move up in the box.
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me
Ownership bias is a nebulous thing. I don’t like Damien because I own him. I own him because I like him. That’s the case with 100% of the players I own. I don’t own players I don’t like. So of course I’m biased if I own someone.
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Re: Damien Williams - convince me
Well after all this discussion, I’m about to sell my only Damien Williams share which was half the reason I made this post lololol
For those curious, trade is:
Ertz + D. Williams + Higgins
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Engram + Woods + 2020 (mid) 1st
For those curious, trade is:
Ertz + D. Williams + Higgins
for
Engram + Woods + 2020 (mid) 1st
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05
Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01
Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05
Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01
Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12
Re: Damien Williams - convince me
That’s a win. I wonder, though, if your trade partner will still go through with this since the Beckham trade. That is, if this was proposed to you several weeks ago and not just recently.Prison_Mike wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:13 pm Well after all this discussion, I’m about to sell my only Damien Williams share which was half the reason I made this post lololol
For those curious, trade is:
Ertz + D. Williams + Higgins
for
Engram + Woods + 2020 (mid) 1st
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Nope, trade was discussed last night and finalized today. My buddy wanted to really upgrade his TE and was about to overpay for Kittle so I said nah I’ll sell you Ertz (worked out cause he really wanted DW too)Valhalla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:43 pmThat’s a win. I wonder, though, if your trade partner will still go through with this since the Beckham trade. That is, if this was proposed to you several weeks ago and not just recently.Prison_Mike wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:13 pm Well after all this discussion, I’m about to sell my only Damien Williams share which was half the reason I made this post lololol
For those curious, trade is:
Ertz + D. Williams + Higgins
for
Engram + Woods + 2020 (mid) 1st
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05
Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01
Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05
Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01
Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12
Re: Damien Williams - convince me
It becomes less relevant as the leagues you play in increases. You pretty much have shares of everyone or you have better objectivity, because you don’t have as many of ‘your guys’ because you only see value. Pretty much everyone becomes available to you.
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You can still have objectivity while not being in a lot of leagues. Being in more leagues doesn’t make your opinion or outlook more accurate. If anything, it sounds like more leagues simply increases ones opinion of themself and the likelihood to view those who disagree as less creditable due to ‘ownership bias’. Please let others know the number necessary to have a non-bias opinion.
Congrats on joining many leagues.
Edit: reminds me of a former poster who thought post count increased the validity of their opinion above others.
Congrats on joining many leagues.
Edit: reminds me of a former poster who thought post count increased the validity of their opinion above others.
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I definitely agree with you. We acquire players we believe are undervalued, and will draft them earlier than consensus, so of course we all tend to “overvalue” our own players (compared to consensus).
However, we also have confirmation bias. We want to be right about trades and draft choices so we convince ourselves why the players are valuable. Just be aware of that bias.
Re: Damien Williams - convince me
Damn right I want to be right. My inflated ego will take a massive hit if Damian and Enunwa don’t work out. We can’t have that.Valhalla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:13 pmI definitely agree with you. We acquire players we believe are undervalued, and will draft them earlier than consensus, so of course we all tend to “overvalue” our own players (compared to consensus).
However, we also have confirmation bias. We want to be right about trades and draft choices so we convince ourselves why the players are valuable. Just be aware of that bias.
Re: Damien Williams - convince me
Bemused this thread keeps going and going. So far as I'm concerned, if KC doesn't do anything on Day 1/2 of the draft at RB, it's a given Damien Williams will open 2019 as the starter with majority touch-share.
I'd have thought this thread would have petered out until post-draft. What's everyone still debating? Carlos Hyde? Guy was graded with a 53 by PFF last year.
I'd have thought this thread would have petered out until post-draft. What's everyone still debating? Carlos Hyde? Guy was graded with a 53 by PFF last year.
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Great, now you’ve invoked another 6 pages debating the validity of PFF grades.ninotoreS wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:45 pm Bemused this thread keeps going and going. So far as I'm concerned, if KC doesn't do anything on Day 1/2 of the draft at RB, it's a given Damien Williams will open 2019 as the starter with majority touch-share.
I'd have thought this thread would have petered out until post-draft. What's everyone still debating? Carlos Hyde? Guy was graded with a 53 by PFF last year.
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QB- Mahomes, Ryan
RB- Gordon, Ingram, Swift, Gore, Hyde, Ogunbowale
WR- Hopkins, KAllen, Lockett, Golladay, Fitz, Edelman, MJones, Crowder, Cobb, Claypool, AGG, Miller (CHI), Humphries, Conley, David Moore, Demarcus Robinson, Gordon
TE- Olsen, Ian Thomas, Njoku
PK- Butker
PN- Cooke
DT- CJones, Ogunjobi, Kinlaw
DE- Hunter, DLaw, Young, Anderson, Turay
LB- Littleton, Mosley, D. Davis, Schobert, Bush, AJ Johnson, Walker, Evans, Burgess
CB- C Davis, Ward, Murphy-Bunting
S- JJ3, Walker, Williams, Rapp, Parks
Taxi: Oliver, Laird, Collier, Cominsky, Phillips, JAXWilliams, Harris, Willis
QB- Mahomes, Ryan
RB- Gordon, Ingram, Swift, Gore, Hyde, Ogunbowale
WR- Hopkins, KAllen, Lockett, Golladay, Fitz, Edelman, MJones, Crowder, Cobb, Claypool, AGG, Miller (CHI), Humphries, Conley, David Moore, Demarcus Robinson, Gordon
TE- Olsen, Ian Thomas, Njoku
PK- Butker
PN- Cooke
DT- CJones, Ogunjobi, Kinlaw
DE- Hunter, DLaw, Young, Anderson, Turay
LB- Littleton, Mosley, D. Davis, Schobert, Bush, AJ Johnson, Walker, Evans, Burgess
CB- C Davis, Ward, Murphy-Bunting
S- JJ3, Walker, Williams, Rapp, Parks
Taxi: Oliver, Laird, Collier, Cominsky, Phillips, JAXWilliams, Harris, Willis
Re: Damien Williams - convince me
I predict that this will be the most active thread of the year and will go down as a legend thread. Their is no way this isn’t bumped weekly through the season.TB3falcons wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:19 pmGreat, now you’ve invoked another 6 pages debating the validity of PFF grades.ninotoreS wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:45 pm Bemused this thread keeps going and going. So far as I'm concerned, if KC doesn't do anything on Day 1/2 of the draft at RB, it's a given Damien Williams will open 2019 as the starter with majority touch-share.
I'd have thought this thread would have petered out until post-draft. What's everyone still debating? Carlos Hyde? Guy was graded with a 53 by PFF last year.
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