Bakermania is making Cleveland a prime landing spot. But I agree with you.
The Tyreek Hill Thread
Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
In real life and as a Baker owner; absolutely. However, between Hunt, Chubb, Landry, Njoku & Callaway I do not think OBJ would get the target share to be that top tier.
Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
That's lesser talent fighting for targets than Barkley, Engram, and Shep? I think OBJ would do just fine as he would be the most talented skill player on the Browns and QBs key in on their best player. The Browns would be a pretty good upgrade for OBJ in my opinion.
Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
I know this is a Hill thread, but
As an OBJ guy, I’m not too worried where he lands. He’s a better player by a good notch than Hill imo, who I’m high on.
Look at OBJs stats while healthy, with noodle arm Eli over the lasts few years. It doesn’t really matter imo.
What concerns me is his health.
Back to hill. Love him long term, love him short term. But what’re the odds there’s not regression? Just think it’s a bad time to buy is all. I would not sell OBJ for hill straight up. I’m on the fence offering juju straight up. On the other hand the leagues I own Hill I’m hanging on unless it’s an overpay.
As an OBJ guy, I’m not too worried where he lands. He’s a better player by a good notch than Hill imo, who I’m high on.
Look at OBJs stats while healthy, with noodle arm Eli over the lasts few years. It doesn’t really matter imo.
What concerns me is his health.
Back to hill. Love him long term, love him short term. But what’re the odds there’s not regression? Just think it’s a bad time to buy is all. I would not sell OBJ for hill straight up. I’m on the fence offering juju straight up. On the other hand the leagues I own Hill I’m hanging on unless it’s an overpay.
main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
12 team. 2019 champ, 2020 runner up, ‘21 3rd
start 2SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT
QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
TE. T Kelce, Pitts, Albert O, D Parham, J O’Shaunessy
1.03, 1.11, 2.02, 2.09
Extra 24 1st
12 team. 2019 champ, 2020 runner up, ‘21 3rd
start 2SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT
QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
TE. T Kelce, Pitts, Albert O, D Parham, J O’Shaunessy
1.03, 1.11, 2.02, 2.09
Extra 24 1st
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Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
Nuk
MT
OBJ
Adams
Tyreek
JuJu
With a good chance that JuJu overtakes Tyreek this year.
Can someone look up red zone targets, catch % and TDs? Not sure where to look this up. I know guys like MT, Adams, Nuk get red zone targets. Does Hill?
MT
OBJ
Adams
Tyreek
JuJu
With a good chance that JuJu overtakes Tyreek this year.
Can someone look up red zone targets, catch % and TDs? Not sure where to look this up. I know guys like MT, Adams, Nuk get red zone targets. Does Hill?
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)
QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
Also, I will add that I totally missed on Hill, and I am still a bit lower than some others. I prefer the taller prototype WR, but Hill is just ridiculously quick and can take any ball to the house.
I do still think that the rest of the league will figure out how to defend KC and Hill's production will drop a bit, but he is top 6 for me and I can't see him dropping past 8 (JuJu and Evans are the two I think could overtake him. And before people start screaming I don't think Evans will, but he could if everything clicks in the new offense).
I do still think that the rest of the league will figure out how to defend KC and Hill's production will drop a bit, but he is top 6 for me and I can't see him dropping past 8 (JuJu and Evans are the two I think could overtake him. And before people start screaming I don't think Evans will, but he could if everything clicks in the new offense).
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)
QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
I think debating the top 6 WR is a bit of a waste of time because it's all subjective. Any of these guys could outscore the other any given week. I also wonder why Evans is literally never in these conversations. Anyway...jetsfan5757 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:22 pm Can someone look up red zone targets, catch % and TDs? Not sure where to look this up. I know guys like MT, Adams, Nuk get red zone targets. Does Hill?
Tyreeks red zone numbers would be presumably small as he (and the rest of KC usually) likes to score from outside the red zone lol doesn't mean he gets TD but here are RZ stats (Profootball reference has a lot of stats btw. That's generally what I use)
Targets/REC/TD
Tyreek: 16/10/5
Julio: 17/10/5
Cooks: 17/15/4
AB: 24/11/6
Nuk: 25/15/8
MT: 29/24/7
JuJu: 29/16/5
Adams: 31/16/12
Ordered these by targets and didn't include anyone under 16 targets but, honestly besides Adams, all these guys are pretty close. So does Adams regress? Those are really efficient numbers for him and pretty much doubled up the rest in TD. Maybe JuJu gets a majority of AB's share; that would be scary. Surprised to find Julio in this list.
As for the "Opponents will adjust to Tyreek" comment, I'm not so sure. Tyreek did this with Alex Smith throwing the ball also... I've seen him beat double coverages and I really like how he's become a good route runner and not just a gadget guy. Red Zone numbers are one thing but mean very little in the grand scheme. That's not his forte and everyone knows it. However, you said you like the bigger WR and there is nothing wrong with that
Back to my original point though, debating these guys is pretty much futile
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Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
Thanks for looking this up and posting!Jigga94 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:44 amI think debating the top 6 WR is a bit of a waste of time because it's all subjective. Any of these guys could outscore the other any given week. I also wonder why Evans is literally never in these conversations. Anyway...jetsfan5757 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:22 pm Can someone look up red zone targets, catch % and TDs? Not sure where to look this up. I know guys like MT, Adams, Nuk get red zone targets. Does Hill?
Tyreeks red zone numbers would be presumably small as he (and the rest of KC usually) likes to score from outside the red zone lol doesn't mean he gets TD but here are RZ stats (Profootball reference has a lot of stats btw. That's generally what I use)
Targets/REC/TD
Tyreek: 16/10/5
Julio: 17/10/5
Cooks: 17/15/4
AB: 24/11/6
Nuk: 25/15/8
MT: 29/24/7
JuJu: 29/16/5
Adams: 31/16/12
Ordered these by targets and didn't include anyone under 16 targets but, honestly besides Adams, all these guys are pretty close. So does Adams regress? Those are really efficient numbers for him and pretty much doubled up the rest in TD. Maybe JuJu gets a majority of AB's share; that would be scary. Surprised to find Julio in this list.
As for the "Opponents will adjust to Tyreek" comment, I'm not so sure. Tyreek did this with Alex Smith throwing the ball also... I've seen him beat double coverages and I really like how he's become a good route runner and not just a gadget guy. Red Zone numbers are one thing but mean very little in the grand scheme. That's not his forte and everyone knows it. However, you said you like the bigger WR and there is nothing wrong with that
Back to my original point though, debating these guys is pretty much futile
I agree that debating is futile, but I was curious to see. His targets were lower than the MT, Nuk, etc group. However, OBJ and Evans didn't even make the list... Also, Adams has to regress on efficiency you would think, but the top target for a healthy ARod seems to always score double digit TDs...
I don't think that teams will adjust to Tyreek and all of a sudden he will turn into some scrub, but I think that teams will figure out schemes to slow them down and Reid, Mahomes and company will adjust, but net result will be stats less prolific than last year's.
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)
QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
Sorry I left some names out for whatever reason
Odell: 20/7/5
Evans actually was below 15: 14/6/4
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... eiving.htm
As for Tyreek, I think it's pick your poison for the defense... Double cover and play deep (still not 100% efficient) and let Kelce tear up the middle. Not to mention, Tyreek can also destroy you underneath. Going to be very hard to stop them
Odell: 20/7/5
Evans actually was below 15: 14/6/4
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... eiving.htm
As for Tyreek, I think it's pick your poison for the defense... Double cover and play deep (still not 100% efficient) and let Kelce tear up the middle. Not to mention, Tyreek can also destroy you underneath. Going to be very hard to stop them
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Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
Thanks for the update.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:02 am Sorry I left some names out for whatever reason
Odell: 20/7/5
Evans actually was below 15: 14/6/4
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... eiving.htm
As for Tyreek, I think it's pick your poison for the defense... Double cover and play deep (still not 100% efficient) and let Kelce tear up the middle. Not to mention, Tyreek can also destroy you underneath. Going to be very hard to stop them
Agree it's hard to stop them, but league has always caught up to every offense. Not stopped, but gotten better against...
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)
QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
Traded obj for hill and hunt before the season started last year. Was looking very good before hunts suspension, but even if hunt never plays again I’ll be fine with hill over obj.
Team 1-12 team ppr
Qb- Jackson Allen
RB- Elliott, Mcafferey, Drake, Josh Jacobs
Wr- Evans, Hilton, Hill, Adams, DJ Moore
Te- Engram, Howard
Team 2- 12 Team ppr
Qb- Bortles, Dak
Rb-Gurley, Freeman, Cook, Crowell, Drake, Coleman
Wr-Robinson, D.Thomas, Diggs, Cooper, Agholor, Coleman
TE- Eifert, Howard
Qb- Jackson Allen
RB- Elliott, Mcafferey, Drake, Josh Jacobs
Wr- Evans, Hilton, Hill, Adams, DJ Moore
Te- Engram, Howard
Team 2- 12 Team ppr
Qb- Bortles, Dak
Rb-Gurley, Freeman, Cook, Crowell, Drake, Coleman
Wr-Robinson, D.Thomas, Diggs, Cooper, Agholor, Coleman
TE- Eifert, Howard
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Re: Tyreek Hill #1 Dynasty Receiver
Was looking like a steal before Hunt suspension!!!Ahmangreen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:36 am Traded obj for hill and hunt before the season started last year. Was looking very good before hunts suspension, but even if hunt never plays again I’ll be fine with hill over obj.
I prefer OBJ to Hill, but as everyone has said, it's individual preference at this point. Also, I think Hunt ends up a starter somewhere by the beginning of 2020-2021 season, likely even sometime in 2019-2020 season. Not as good as KC, but mid to low RB1 (meaning RB 5 to 12). But there is a different thread on that...
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)
QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble
K (1): M. Crosby
DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence
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Tyreek investigation
Team 1
10 team .5 PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 1Flex
QB: Brees, Cousins
RB: McCaffery, Guice, D Williams, Breida, Drake, Penny, S Ware, R Jones, J Adams, I Smith
WR: A Brown, Jeffery, Robinson, Ridley, Pettis, Miller, Shepard, Callaway, MVS, Washington
TE: Kelce, Herndon
Picks:
2019 1.10, 2.10, 3.10, 4.10
2020 1, 2, 3, 4
*2018 Champ*
10 team .5 PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 1Flex
QB: Brees, Cousins
RB: McCaffery, Guice, D Williams, Breida, Drake, Penny, S Ware, R Jones, J Adams, I Smith
WR: A Brown, Jeffery, Robinson, Ridley, Pettis, Miller, Shepard, Callaway, MVS, Washington
TE: Kelce, Herndon
Picks:
2019 1.10, 2.10, 3.10, 4.10
2020 1, 2, 3, 4
*2018 Champ*
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Re: Tyreek investigation
Juvenile involved. His kid?
12 team league; 15 man roster; .5 pt PPR;
QB/RB/2 WR/TE/2 FLX/K/DEF
Tom Brady, Cam Newton
Mark Ingram, Kerryon Johnson, Rashaad Penny, Ronald Jones
AJ Green, Keenan Allen, Michael Thomas, Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Keelan Cole
Rob Gronkowski
Will Lutz
Minnesota Defense
12 team league; 30-man roster; full PPR
QB/2 RB/2 WR/TE/3 FLX
Rodgers, Goff, Carr
Bell, J. Stewart, Foreman, Perine
Hopkins, K. Allen, Cooks, Hurns, Kupp, Lee, C. Samuel, Patterson, Taywan Taylor
Howard, Hooper, S. Anderson
QB/RB/2 WR/TE/2 FLX/K/DEF
Tom Brady, Cam Newton
Mark Ingram, Kerryon Johnson, Rashaad Penny, Ronald Jones
AJ Green, Keenan Allen, Michael Thomas, Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Keelan Cole
Rob Gronkowski
Will Lutz
Minnesota Defense
12 team league; 30-man roster; full PPR
QB/2 RB/2 WR/TE/3 FLX
Rodgers, Goff, Carr
Bell, J. Stewart, Foreman, Perine
Hopkins, K. Allen, Cooks, Hurns, Kupp, Lee, C. Samuel, Patterson, Taywan Taylor
Howard, Hooper, S. Anderson
Re: Tyreek investigation
Knew it was a possibility after the college incident... Mixon next?
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