The gazelle (Tyrell Williams)

[fakespike13]

Defenses will consistently double team Mr Big Chest, and Carr supposedly hates throwing into tight coverages downfield. Maybe Tyrell becomes the guy Carr is more comfortable throwing to.

[Huh]

Defenses will consistently double team Mr Big Chest, and Carr supposedly hates throwing into tight coverages downfield. Maybe Tyrell becomes the guy Carr is more comfortable throwing to.

While wallowing, this crossed my mind. The only wr of note with built in chemistry is jordy. Tyrell was always the talk of trading camp so maybe he can glom onto Carr. Who can resist those mile apart eyes?

[FantasyFreak]

Defenses will consistently double team Mr Big Chest, and Carr supposedly hates throwing into tight coverages downfield. Maybe Tyrell becomes the guy Carr is more comfortable throwing to.

I really don't think so. Carr just did not feel comfortable throwing to Cooper in those situations, and rightfully so. Amari is not a good contested catch guy. He had zero problems with a receiver he trusted in that area, like Crabtree. I've watched a lot of Raiders football over the years, and I think Carr will have no problems throwing to AB in tight coverage. Tyrell will be a good secondary guy, but AB will get fed.

[Factory of Sadness]

I'm quite surprised at the response to this. Unless we imagined Williams performing some evil voodoo with a Julio Jones doll, he was always going to be a number 2 at best. To be the number 2 to a top 3 WR on a team that's likely to be behind a lot and whose QB scores much higher on arm than willingness to hit tight windows strikes me as ideal. If he can't beat out what's left of Jordy, then he was going to be worthless anywhere. I like this spot for him a lot.

[Plank]

I think he brings versatility, he is able to play all 3 WR positions .. think the Raiders attack won't be a big departure from how the Chargers like to rotate their WR's .. I am just curious if Carr is going to bounce back, he missed WR's a lot last year, wide open receivers, streaking down the field, left so much on the field..

[jetsfan5757]

Hmmm I am not an owner anywhere, but I am seemingly much higher on this signing than others. He is the clear number 2 target behind AB now, and I think he could see targets closer to 2016(119) than 2017-2018(69-65) in SD/LA. Over his career his efficiency has been remarkably consistent. 16ypr, 1TD per 10 catches, 60% catch rate, almost exactly each of the last 3 years. If Oakland can get him the targets I think that’s all he needs, and at this point I think he is in line for those targets, and got paid like he will be. 120+ targets and he is solidly a fantasy WR2. 100+ targets puts him as a borderline WR2/3 for sure. 80+ targets and he’s a Possible WR3. 60+ like the last 2 years and he’s back to borderline Flex territory again. I think his o/u will be around 100 targets, depending on who else Raiders add

Bro, you love your stats and I applaud you for doing the research, but I think those are going to look different with Carr throwing instead of Rivers, and in an inferior offense (AB > KA, but MG III >> Raiders run game).

I think you need to knock his projected production down a lot. I would reduce his catch rate and TD rate, leaving YPR more or less the same.

Having said all that, I don't think this was the worst landing spot for him. I think Pitt or Indy might have been better, but not sure where else...

[Huh]

Hmmm I am not an owner anywhere, but I am seemingly much higher on this signing than others. He is the clear number 2 target behind AB now, and I think he could see targets closer to 2016(119) than 2017-2018(69-65) in SD/LA. Over his career his efficiency has been remarkably consistent. 16ypr, 1TD per 10 catches, 60% catch rate, almost exactly each of the last 3 years. If Oakland can get him the targets I think that’s all he needs, and at this point I think he is in line for those targets, and got paid like he will be. 120+ targets and he is solidly a fantasy WR2. 100+ targets puts him as a borderline WR2/3 for sure. 80+ targets and he’s a Possible WR3. 60+ like the last 2 years and he’s back to borderline Flex territory again. I think his o/u will be around 100 targets, depending on who else Raiders add

Bro, you love your stats and I applaud you for doing the research, but I think those are going to look different with Carr throwing instead of Rivers, and in an inferior offense (AB > KA, but MG III >> Raiders run game).

I think you need to knock his projected production down a lot. I would reduce his catch rate and TD rate, leaving YPR more or less the same.

Having said all that, I don't think this was the worst landing spot for him. I think Pitt or Indy might have been better, but not sure where else...

It’s not a horrible spot, I just had dreams of luck, baker, and sugar plums dancing through my head.

[ArrylT]

I’ve learned a valuable lesson that Ive been thinking about for a year now. I’ve had the gazelle since the summer before he broke out and held because I was positive greener pastures awaited him once he got to free agency. I started him a lot that year and he rocked it, but it’s been about two years of roster clogging since and now he probably is going to keep doing that. Never again will I hold a player just for the hope of free agency that is years away. Think of all the players I didn’t get to add and then drop a week later because he sat there. I’m going to try and package him to move up in the second. He broke my heart last night.

That alone makes it worthwhile. Lessons learned are valuable.

[kadun2]

Hmmm I am not an owner anywhere, but I am seemingly much higher on this signing than others. He is the clear number 2 target behind AB now, and I think he could see targets closer to 2016(119) than 2017-2018(69-65) in SD/LA. Over his career his efficiency has been remarkably consistent. 16ypr, 1TD per 10 catches, 60% catch rate, almost exactly each of the last 3 years. If Oakland can get him the targets I think that’s all he needs, and at this point I think he is in line for those targets, and got paid like he will be. 120+ targets and he is solidly a fantasy WR2. 100+ targets puts him as a borderline WR2/3 for sure. 80+ targets and he’s a Possible WR3. 60+ like the last 2 years and he’s back to borderline Flex territory again. I think his o/u will be around 100 targets, depending on who else Raiders add

Bro, you love your stats and I applaud you for doing the research, but I think those are going to look different with Carr throwing instead of Rivers, and in an inferior offense (AB > KA, but MG III >> Raiders run game).

I think you need to knock his projected production down a lot. I would reduce his catch rate and TD rate, leaving YPR more or less the same.

Having said all that, I don't think this was the worst landing spot for him. I think Pitt or Indy might have been better, but not sure where else...

It’s not a horrible spot, I just had dreams of luck, baker, and sugar plums dancing through my head.

Right?
Oh well, we will hope for the best, but this is a big let down.

[Elroypedro]

Hmmm I am not an owner anywhere, but I am seemingly much higher on this signing than others. He is the clear number 2 target behind AB now, and I think he could see targets closer to 2016(119) than 2017-2018(69-65) in SD/LA. Over his career his efficiency has been remarkably consistent. 16ypr, 1TD per 10 catches, 60% catch rate, almost exactly each of the last 3 years. If Oakland can get him the targets I think that’s all he needs, and at this point I think he is in line for those targets, and got paid like he will be. 120+ targets and he is solidly a fantasy WR2. 100+ targets puts him as a borderline WR2/3 for sure. 80+ targets and he’s a Possible WR3. 60+ like the last 2 years and he’s back to borderline Flex territory again. I think his o/u will be around 100 targets, depending on who else Raiders add

Bro, you love your stats and I applaud you for doing the research, but I think those are going to look different with Carr throwing instead of Rivers, and in an inferior offense (AB > KA, but MG III >> Raiders run game).

I think you need to knock his projected production down a lot. I would reduce his catch rate and TD rate, leaving YPR more or less the same.

Having said all that, I don't think this was the worst landing spot for him. I think Pitt or Indy might have been better, but not sure where else...

Yeah that is totally fair. This was not a robust group of stats, and not a super useful way of using them. It was more just spit balling on my part. The basic point, which again isn't very focused or strongly backed by the numbers, more like casually suggested by them, is that Williams has a pretty good shot to succeed based upon his target volume. Aka his success this year is heavily target dependent, and as of now, at this point of free agency and before the draft, he should be in line to get those targets.

[jetsfan5757]

Hmmm I am not an owner anywhere, but I am seemingly much higher on this signing than others. He is the clear number 2 target behind AB now, and I think he could see targets closer to 2016(119) than 2017-2018(69-65) in SD/LA. Over his career his efficiency has been remarkably consistent. 16ypr, 1TD per 10 catches, 60% catch rate, almost exactly each of the last 3 years. If Oakland can get him the targets I think that’s all he needs, and at this point I think he is in line for those targets, and got paid like he will be. 120+ targets and he is solidly a fantasy WR2. 100+ targets puts him as a borderline WR2/3 for sure. 80+ targets and he’s a Possible WR3. 60+ like the last 2 years and he’s back to borderline Flex territory again. I think his o/u will be around 100 targets, depending on who else Raiders add

Bro, you love your stats and I applaud you for doing the research, but I think those are going to look different with Carr throwing instead of Rivers, and in an inferior offense (AB > KA, but MG III >> Raiders run game).

I think you need to knock his projected production down a lot. I would reduce his catch rate and TD rate, leaving YPR more or less the same.

Having said all that, I don't think this was the worst landing spot for him. I think Pitt or Indy might have been better, but not sure where else...

Yeah that is totally fair. This was not a robust group of stats, and not a super useful way of using them. It was more just spit balling on my part. The basic point, which again isn't very focused or strongly backed by the numbers, more like casually suggested by them, is that Williams has a pretty good shot to succeed based upon his target volume. Aka his success this year is heavily target dependent, and as of now, at this point of free agency and before the draft, he should be in line to get those targets.

[Huh]

Bye bye jordy. Looks like there is no wr of consequence that has chemistry with Carr. I feel a little better.

[grandmabetty]

Bye bye jordy. Looks like there is no wr of consequence that has chemistry with Carr. I feel a little better.

Barring any additional FA moves or high WR picks I think this makes Williams the unquestioned #2. Working behind Brown I feel better about it. Still don't know if I trust Carr to get him the ball but I think success is there for the taking.

[Phaded]

Don't be surprised if the Raiders grab a WR with one of their 4 picks in the top 35.

[Huh]

Don't be surprised if the Raiders grab a WR with one of their 4 picks in the top 35.

They pretty much have to. Is Seth Roberts still on the team? Ateman? They need a slot guy.