I'm with you. A third doesn't move the needle.osubuckeyeman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:17 am Are we really talking about a 3rd for Edwards? Come on man!!! Take a look at your 3rd rounders in general. You would rather roll with those odds than Edwards?? I think he is better for a player to player trade value than rookie pick value.
Don't think that will get it done. It needs to be a 2nd and a prospect, or 2 seconds, or a first and you get something back. There's just no incentive for someone to move him for that. He was probably worth that before, and now he's in line to be the lead back in a run heavy scheme. I'd gladly pay a 2nd in a 1 QB league. Not enamoured at all with the class next year.
I agree a 2nd wouldn't get it done. There's no point in trading a run heavy team's RB1 (even if only for this year) for a 2nd round pick at the start of the year. I'd want a late first, or a 2nd plus a quality, yet to break out player, but if I'm contending, I'm keeping him as a solid RB2.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:41 pmDon't think that will get it done. It needs to be a 2nd and a prospect, or 2 seconds, or a first and you get something back. There's just no incentive for someone to move him for that. He was probably worth that before, and now he's in line to be the lead back in a run heavy scheme. I'd gladly pay a 2nd in a 1 QB league. Not enamoured at all with the class next year.
This gets me back to a point I was trying to make in another thread. Many will read that and say, "well he's not worth a first". While he may not be viewed that way, often, trading requires incentive. In this case, you need to provide somebody with the incentive to move off the player. This is one of those cases. To give "fair value" if it's seen as a 2nd, gives somebody little incentive to simply "break even", especially when they are giving up somebody who is likely going to produce good numbers for them. You often need to give a little over the valuation to get a deal done, in these type of 1 for 1 situations, when there is a change in the outlook of a player. The view of Gus Edwards from 2 weeks ago is now obsolete, and the demand for a player in his position is almost league wide, now, whereas before it wasn't. There is a much larger market to be shopping him to, now.Dr.Graffin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:47 pmI agree a 2nd wouldn't get it done. There's no point in trading a run heavy team's RB1 (even if only for this year) for a 2nd round pick at the start of the year. I'd want a late first, or a 2nd plus a quality, yet to break out player, but if I'm contending, I'm keeping him as a solid RB2.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:41 pmDon't think that will get it done. It needs to be a 2nd and a prospect, or 2 seconds, or a first and you get something back. There's just no incentive for someone to move him for that. He was probably worth that before, and now he's in line to be the lead back in a run heavy scheme. I'd gladly pay a 2nd in a 1 QB league. Not enamoured at all with the class next year.
Well... I'm most definitely out at that price.
You seem like the kind of owner who will ask another owner for a good player just to point out their flaws.mild wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:59 pmWell... I'm most definitely out at that price.
A 1st for a 26 year old runner that can't catch is too hefty for me. He'll be 27 next year and back into a timeshare with an electric talent.
re. Demand for Gus being "league wide" - that's simply not true, at least in my league. There are at least 4 teams trying to rebuild right now that will have no interest in a 1-year contender RB that has already had his age prime. That is going to depress his value, at least a little. Where I do agree, is that the owner will probably just hold him now (he's the strongest team, and already had by far the best RB stable) and stranglehold the league.
Personally I think I'll just play the waiver wire.
I should have been clearer. There will be more demand for him league wide than there was prior to Dobbins injury. I wasn't trying to suggest that rebuilding teams should or would be interested. Hope that clears it up.mild wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:59 pm
re. Demand for Gus being "league wide" - that's simply not true, at least in my league. There are at least 4 teams trying to rebuild right now that will have no interest in a 1-year contender RB that has already had his age prime. That is going to depress his value, at least a little.
man I love this perspective! it's so true. too often in dynasty, we're penny-smart and pound-poor failing to see the bigger picture. good will pays for itself over time.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:56 pmThis gets me back to a point I was trying to make in another thread. Many will read that and say, "well he's not worth a first". While he may not be viewed that way, often, trading requires incentive. In this case, you need to provide somebody with the incentive to move off the player. This is one of those cases. To give "fair value" if it's seen as a 2nd, gives somebody little incentive to simply "break even", especially when they are giving up somebody who is likely going to produce good numbers for them. You often need to give a little over the valuation to get a deal done, in these type of 1 for 1 situations, when there is a change in the outlook of a player. The view of Gus Edwards from 2 weeks ago is now obsolete, and the demand for a player in his position is almost league wide, now, whereas before it wasn't. There is a much larger market to be shopping him to, now.Dr.Graffin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:47 pmI agree a 2nd wouldn't get it done. There's no point in trading a run heavy team's RB1 (even if only for this year) for a 2nd round pick at the start of the year. I'd want a late first, or a 2nd plus a quality, yet to break out player, but if I'm contending, I'm keeping him as a solid RB2.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:41 pm
Don't think that will get it done. It needs to be a 2nd and a prospect, or 2 seconds, or a first and you get something back. There's just no incentive for someone to move him for that. He was probably worth that before, and now he's in line to be the lead back in a run heavy scheme. I'd gladly pay a 2nd in a 1 QB league. Not enamoured at all with the class next year.
