The Red Rifle Thread: Dalton Short Leash in Chicago

[ericanadian]

Actually, their run-blocking is ranked top five by footballoutsiders. Profootballfocus similarly ranks them in the top five, though I don't have the breakdown between run and pass blocking. There's a lot of reason to believe the problem is 100% Hill. This is the same exact line they had last year. This is the same system they had last year. The passing game is a threat again, which should help the run game. Gio is lighting it up at a 5.5 ypc clip and has been hit behind the line very rarely.

Are they seriously ranked that high in run blocking?

That is very surprising to me from watching the games. Their run blocking does not look that good when you watch the games.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... n-the-nfl/

Like I said, the pff ranks are total pass/run blocking combined. Couldn't find the run-block rankings in a limited search.

[cdubbaya]

So Dalton passed the test of the tough defenses these past 3 weeks... If his weapons stay healthy I'm ready to say he'll end up top 3-5 QB for sure. I'm assuming he's still #1 after this week.

The bengals go into the bye this week, let's see if he keeps it up in the 2nd half of the season.

[eNdblu]

Looking like a favourable schedule following the BYE except for DEN in week 16

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[Jcedwards]

What would you pay for him right now?

Guy put him on the trading block and is asking for a 3rd or a 2020 2nd. With the uncertainty of Winston, my backup QB right now is Osweiler (yuck). Granted I have Mahomes, so I only need a QB for week 12.

I was already contemplating taking a QB in the upcoming draft for depth, but would it be better to go ahead and grab Dalton instead?

[Jigga94]

That's not a bad pick to deal for him, but I wouldnt worry much about one week. I'd still be fine with rolling out Winston and Brock occasionally

[Hofbrau]

Nah, Id just grab a guy off the WW for week 12. 49ers qb maybe?

[Jcedwards]

That's not a bad pick to deal for him, but I wouldnt worry much about one week. I'd still be fine with rolling out Winston and Brock occasionally

Well it would be for 1 week for this year, but he would be a viable backup going into next year too. Winston probably will have a starting on again next year (might not be with the Bucs), but who knows with him. At least Dalton is a decent backup. Brock may not even have the starting job come week 12.

[Jcedwards]

Nah, Id just grab a guy off the WW for week 12. 49ers qb maybe?

I actually tried grabbing him off the wire this last week. Guy with the #1 pick actually nabbed him. I picked up Osweiler off of FA after waivers. The only 1 on the wire that is even a starter for his team is McCown and he probably won’t be starting week 12.

[ArrylT]

You'd most likely have to spend - league dependant - a mid-late 2nd to early 3rd on a QB in your rookie draft - and many seem to think that the 2019 QB class is weak - so a 3rd for Dalton seems like a solid move to shore of a position of 'need'. Dalton is one of those QBs who will never be elite but can have QB1 production from time to time (3-4 QB1 games this year so far). The only issue from a short term standpoint is the loss of AJ Green - but longer term Dalton as your QB2 is a solid choice imo.

[Jcedwards]

You'd most likely have to spend - league dependant - a mid-late 2nd to early 3rd on a QB in your rookie draft - and many seem to think that the 2019 QB class is weak - so a 3rd for Dalton seems like a solid move to shore of a position of 'need'. Dalton is one of those QBs who will never be elite but can have QB1 production from time to time (3-4 QB1 games this year so far). The only issue from a short term standpoint is the loss of AJ Green - but longer term Dalton as your QB2 is a solid choice imo.

Well the problem is that I do not have a 2019 3rd right now, so I’d have to send a 2020 2nd (I have 2). One of them is my own pick and if my roster stays intact, I think it will be late anyway (number 1 in the league right now, and most of my roster should stay with me next year, so barring injury, I should be late), so im willing to part with that one.

And since I do not have a 2019 3rd, I would be spending a 1st (1.12 right now), or a 2nd (2.02 right now) on a QB in the draft.

[Jcedwards]

So I’m in discussions with the Dalton owner. I offered my 2020 2nd (currently 2.12). I’m not sure he is even worth a late 2nd, but I’m willing to do that. My team should be good for the long haul, so that pick should stay as late. I have another 2nd round pick (currently 2.1), and he is wanting that pick. I know that things change within a year, so my pick could end up being mid and so could that other pick, but would you trade an early 2020 2nd right now for Dalton?

For the record, he is going off Dalton having a fantastic year. He also traded Brees last year for a mid 2nd, so of course Brees is better than Dalton. And he also traded a 2019 3rd and Keenum for Dalton before the year. Am I nuts for thinking that is too much for Dalton?

[PTW32]

I think an early 2nd is too much.

I traded dalton for a 2019 3rd (mid) and Teddy Bridgewater.

[Jcedwards]

I think an early 2nd is too much.

I traded dalton for a 2019 3rd (mid) and Teddy Bridgewater.

This guy traded Case Keenum and a 2019 3rd for Dalton. What has he done this year to make his value skyrocket to an early 2020 2nd (at the moment of course)?

[honcho55]

Man, maybe it’s me but it seems QBs get way too devalued in this forum.

Dalton is QB15 at a quick glance I’m the one league I got him in. So, very firmly a weak but not awful starter or great backup. I don’t see how that station doesn’t hold more value in people’s eyes. Particularly so in special cases: SF slots, teams that are stacked everywhere else, QBBC, etc.

So for OPs scenario: I see a 3rd as a steal. Bye week filler for one, but also I’d Mahomes goes down that team is hurting, could very easily be the difference between competing and not.

[Jcedwards]

Man, maybe it’s me but it seems QBs get way too devalued in this forum.

Dalton is QB15 at a quick glance I’m the one league I got him in. So, very firmly a weak but not awful starter or great backup. I don’t see how that station doesn’t hold more value in people’s eyes. Particularly so in special cases: SF slots, teams that are stacked everywhere else, QBBC, etc.

So for OPs scenario: I see a 3rd as a steal. Bye week filler for one, but also I’d Mahomes goes down that team is hurting, could very easily be the difference between competing and not.

This is a 1 QB league, so there are no special cases going on. I agree though that if Mahomes goes down I could be in big trouble. Fingers crossed it doesn’t happen. Even though he said that he wants a 3rd round pick or 2020 2nd, he wouldn’t take that unless it was a early 2020. I have no 3rd this year, but I have 2020 2nds. One is 2.01 right now, while the other is 2.12. Obviously a lot can change within a year, but is Dalton really worth the early 2020 2nd right now?