You guys are crazy to even mention Michel with Guice and Chubb. Nothing I've seen from Michel hints to him being anymore than a commitee back. He had a nice little breakout year, but the reason he's gaining so much steam is the whole Kamara comparison. You can tune into the tape and Kamara just looks like a more dynamic playmaker and has better quickness. Also the whole reason Kamara's situation played a huge part into him becoming that dynamic playmaker he is. Michel may be a nice little talent, but in my eyes he's nowhere near Guice or Chubb.
2018 RB rookie discussion
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Exactly, I think it's still way too soon to even guess who should be the 1.02, 1.03 etc.
If Chubb goes to the Colts at 2.04 or to the Pats end of round 1? I love it.
If Dallas takes a WR in round 1, that honestly might be my 1.02 in this draft.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
Def gotta be guice, but age is a factor. I'd consider age into it, but chubb broke out very young also
Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
The exact opposite of what was being said a week ago. Good to see the importance of the underwear olympics in your evaluation.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:42 pmYou guys are crazy to even mention Michel with Guice and Chubb. Nothing I've seen from Michel hints to him being anymore than a commitee back. He had a nice little breakout year, but the reason he's gaining so much steam is the whole Kamara comparison. You can tune into the tape and Kamara just looks like a more dynamic playmaker and has better quickness. Also the whole reason Kamara's situation played a huge part into him becoming that dynamic playmaker he is. Michel may be a nice little talent, but in my eyes he's nowhere near Guice or Chubb.
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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
Was thinking the same thing.Defender wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:57 pmThe exact opposite of what was being said a week ago. Good to see the importance of the underwear olympics in your evaluation.alewilliam789 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:42 pmYou guys are crazy to even mention Michel with Guice and Chubb. Nothing I've seen from Michel hints to him being anymore than a commitee back. He had a nice little breakout year, but the reason he's gaining so much steam is the whole Kamara comparison. You can tune into the tape and Kamara just looks like a more dynamic playmaker and has better quickness. Also the whole reason Kamara's situation played a huge part into him becoming that dynamic playmaker he is. Michel may be a nice little talent, but in my eyes he's nowhere near Guice or Chubb.
12 team league; 15 man roster; .5 pt PPR;
QB/RB/2 WR/TE/2 FLX/K/DEF
Tom Brady, Cam Newton
Mark Ingram, Kerryon Johnson, Rashaad Penny, Ronald Jones
AJ Green, Keenan Allen, Michael Thomas, Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Keelan Cole
Rob Gronkowski
Will Lutz
Minnesota Defense
12 team league; 30-man roster; full PPR
QB/2 RB/2 WR/TE/3 FLX
Rodgers, Goff, Carr
Bell, J. Stewart, Foreman, Perine
Hopkins, K. Allen, Cooks, Hurns, Kupp, Lee, C. Samuel, Patterson, Taywan Taylor
Howard, Hooper, S. Anderson
QB/RB/2 WR/TE/2 FLX/K/DEF
Tom Brady, Cam Newton
Mark Ingram, Kerryon Johnson, Rashaad Penny, Ronald Jones
AJ Green, Keenan Allen, Michael Thomas, Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Keelan Cole
Rob Gronkowski
Will Lutz
Minnesota Defense
12 team league; 30-man roster; full PPR
QB/2 RB/2 WR/TE/3 FLX
Rodgers, Goff, Carr
Bell, J. Stewart, Foreman, Perine
Hopkins, K. Allen, Cooks, Hurns, Kupp, Lee, C. Samuel, Patterson, Taywan Taylor
Howard, Hooper, S. Anderson
Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
Lol, 3 days ago michel was in play for 2 with guice for a lot on here. Michel surged from last 2 games to combine and now is settling in a little bit until draft. I like him, but was always higher on chubb where most said he was a jag. He's a cyborg workhorse to do what he did, very AP Like.
Michel is in play for 2 for me still
Landing spot is huge tho, and draft position imo..thats why kamara did what he did was his investment and landing
Michel is in play for 2 for me still
Landing spot is huge tho, and draft position imo..thats why kamara did what he did was his investment and landing
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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
I personally wouldn't do that. You have to think Sutton and possibly Ridley/Kirk/Washington go in the top 5 depending on need (I know, I don't draft that way, but some people do) leaving you with a shot at IMO the tier 2 backs - tier 1 consists of Saquon only - and tier 2 IMO has 5 guys in it. I am at 1.07 and wouldn't give up a future first, a current first, and a second to grab Guice. Again, a lot depends on pro day workouts, landing spots, etc., it's premature.hockeyBjj wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:15 am So I just offered my 1.06, 2.10, and 2019 1st for the 1.02 to have a better chance of hitting on an actual stud RB in Guice or Michel if he astounds the combine and gets a better landing spot
What do ya'll think? With my roster in team 1, is going from pick 6 to pick 2 worth a late 2nd and future 1st?
Probably have a few hours to pull it based off feedback. Team advice liked the trade, but I feel you guys here are more knowledgeable 1st round RBs by a good margin
Team 1
Superflex, 1.0 point PPR
QB: P. Mahomes $5, C. Newton $20, B. Mayfield $2, D. Brees
RB: D. Johnson $54, N. Chubb $4, T. Coleman $4, D. Henry $14, I. Crowell $3, J. Richard $9, J. Adams $3
WR: A. Robinson $41, T.Y. Hilton $24, J. Landry $25, C. Davis $4, C. Godwin $4, D. Hamilton $3, K. Cole, S. Shephard $10
TE: E. Engram $4, D. Njoku $2, K. Rudolph $3, V. McDonald $4
K/DEF: Irrelevant
2019: 2.04, 2.05, 2.06, 3.06, 4.06
Team 2
Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE - 25 man roster + 4 TAXI
QB: T. Brady, M. Ryan, N. Foles
RB: K. Hunt, C. McCaffrey, D. Johnson, T. Coleman, S. Ware, D. Williams, Ito Smith, D. Sproles
WR: AJ Green, A. Robinson, A. Thielen, E. Sanders, G. Tate, S. Roberts
TE: J. Reed, J. Butt, M. Roberts, V. Davis, M. Williams
TAXI: S. Darnold, D. Fountain, D. Cain, Jaleel Scott
Superflex, 1.0 point PPR
QB: P. Mahomes $5, C. Newton $20, B. Mayfield $2, D. Brees
RB: D. Johnson $54, N. Chubb $4, T. Coleman $4, D. Henry $14, I. Crowell $3, J. Richard $9, J. Adams $3
WR: A. Robinson $41, T.Y. Hilton $24, J. Landry $25, C. Davis $4, C. Godwin $4, D. Hamilton $3, K. Cole, S. Shephard $10
TE: E. Engram $4, D. Njoku $2, K. Rudolph $3, V. McDonald $4
K/DEF: Irrelevant
2019: 2.04, 2.05, 2.06, 3.06, 4.06
Team 2
Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE - 25 man roster + 4 TAXI
QB: T. Brady, M. Ryan, N. Foles
RB: K. Hunt, C. McCaffrey, D. Johnson, T. Coleman, S. Ware, D. Williams, Ito Smith, D. Sproles
WR: AJ Green, A. Robinson, A. Thielen, E. Sanders, G. Tate, S. Roberts
TE: J. Reed, J. Butt, M. Roberts, V. Davis, M. Williams
TAXI: S. Darnold, D. Fountain, D. Cain, Jaleel Scott
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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
Also, the RB class is deep, and you can potentially hit on a solid slot WR with that second. I'd rather have a tier 2 guy and a high chance of hitting on a WR/RB in the second.hjernazian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:12 amI personally wouldn't do that. You have to think Sutton and possibly Ridley/Kirk/Washington go in the top 5 depending on need (I know, I don't draft that way, but some people do) leaving you with a shot at IMO the tier 2 backs - tier 1 consists of Saquon only - and tier 2 IMO has 5 guys in it. I am at 1.07 and wouldn't give up a future first, a current first, and a second to grab Guice. Again, a lot depends on pro day workouts, landing spots, etc., it's premature.hockeyBjj wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:15 am So I just offered my 1.06, 2.10, and 2019 1st for the 1.02 to have a better chance of hitting on an actual stud RB in Guice or Michel if he astounds the combine and gets a better landing spot
What do ya'll think? With my roster in team 1, is going from pick 6 to pick 2 worth a late 2nd and future 1st?
Probably have a few hours to pull it based off feedback. Team advice liked the trade, but I feel you guys here are more knowledgeable 1st round RBs by a good margin
Team 1
Superflex, 1.0 point PPR
QB: P. Mahomes $5, C. Newton $20, B. Mayfield $2, D. Brees
RB: D. Johnson $54, N. Chubb $4, T. Coleman $4, D. Henry $14, I. Crowell $3, J. Richard $9, J. Adams $3
WR: A. Robinson $41, T.Y. Hilton $24, J. Landry $25, C. Davis $4, C. Godwin $4, D. Hamilton $3, K. Cole, S. Shephard $10
TE: E. Engram $4, D. Njoku $2, K. Rudolph $3, V. McDonald $4
K/DEF: Irrelevant
2019: 2.04, 2.05, 2.06, 3.06, 4.06
Team 2
Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE - 25 man roster + 4 TAXI
QB: T. Brady, M. Ryan, N. Foles
RB: K. Hunt, C. McCaffrey, D. Johnson, T. Coleman, S. Ware, D. Williams, Ito Smith, D. Sproles
WR: AJ Green, A. Robinson, A. Thielen, E. Sanders, G. Tate, S. Roberts
TE: J. Reed, J. Butt, M. Roberts, V. Davis, M. Williams
TAXI: S. Darnold, D. Fountain, D. Cain, Jaleel Scott
Superflex, 1.0 point PPR
QB: P. Mahomes $5, C. Newton $20, B. Mayfield $2, D. Brees
RB: D. Johnson $54, N. Chubb $4, T. Coleman $4, D. Henry $14, I. Crowell $3, J. Richard $9, J. Adams $3
WR: A. Robinson $41, T.Y. Hilton $24, J. Landry $25, C. Davis $4, C. Godwin $4, D. Hamilton $3, K. Cole, S. Shephard $10
TE: E. Engram $4, D. Njoku $2, K. Rudolph $3, V. McDonald $4
K/DEF: Irrelevant
2019: 2.04, 2.05, 2.06, 3.06, 4.06
Team 2
Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE - 25 man roster + 4 TAXI
QB: T. Brady, M. Ryan, N. Foles
RB: K. Hunt, C. McCaffrey, D. Johnson, T. Coleman, S. Ware, D. Williams, Ito Smith, D. Sproles
WR: AJ Green, A. Robinson, A. Thielen, E. Sanders, G. Tate, S. Roberts
TE: J. Reed, J. Butt, M. Roberts, V. Davis, M. Williams
TAXI: S. Darnold, D. Fountain, D. Cain, Jaleel Scott
Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
Combine Affect: How it should be...
Riser:
Bo Scarborough RB17–>RB14 (& jumped up a tier)
[mostly speed/weight combo]
Faller:
Kerryon Johnson RB5–>RB8 (same tier)
[mostly light weight]
Every RB in my rankings, aside from the two listed above, are in exact same place now as they were right before the Combine. It is meant to give clarity, not dictate your rankings.
Riser:
Bo Scarborough RB17–>RB14 (& jumped up a tier)
[mostly speed/weight combo]
Faller:
Kerryon Johnson RB5–>RB8 (same tier)
[mostly light weight]
Every RB in my rankings, aside from the two listed above, are in exact same place now as they were right before the Combine. It is meant to give clarity, not dictate your rankings.
The standard is the standard.
Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
How much weight did K Johnson drop ? Wasn't visually obvious at combine, he looked plenty big. Ordinarily bigger guys drop a few pounds to run a faster 40. But he didn't even run it at combine.Defender wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:23 pm Combine Affect: How it should be...
Riser:
Bo Scarborough RB17–>RB14 (& jumped up a tier)
[mostly speed/weight combo]
Faller:
Kerryon Johnson RB5–>RB8 (same tier)
[mostly light weight]
Every RB in my rankings, aside from the two listed above, are in exact same place now as they were right before the Combine. It is meant to give clarity, not dictate your rankings.
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Why would Scarborough be a riser? He did the one thing he can do, which is be pretty athletic.Defender wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:23 pm Combine Affect: How it should be...
Riser:
Bo Scarborough RB17–>RB14 (& jumped up a tier)
[mostly speed/weight combo]
Faller:
Kerryon Johnson RB5–>RB8 (same tier)
[mostly light weight]
Every RB in my rankings, aside from the two listed above, are in exact same place now as they were right before the Combine. It is meant to give clarity, not dictate your rankings.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
So many people are going to blow a high draft pick on Sony Michel because they're chasing Alvin Kamara's unsustainable rookie year production.
Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
He weighed in nearly 10 pounds lighter than I expected. So I dinged him for it.Go Bucks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:32 pmHow much weight did K Johnson drop ? Wasn't visually obvious at combine, he looked plenty big. Ordinarily bigger guys drop a few pounds to run a faster 40. But he didn't even run it at combine.Defender wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:23 pm Combine Affect: How it should be...
Riser:
Bo Scarborough RB17–>RB14 (& jumped up a tier)
[mostly speed/weight combo]
Faller:
Kerryon Johnson RB5–>RB8 (same tier)
[mostly light weight]
Every RB in my rankings, aside from the two listed above, are in exact same place now as they were right before the Combine. It is meant to give clarity, not dictate your rankings.
The standard is the standard.
Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion
Perhaps I was being to harsh on the guy in the first place, but I didn’t see that athleticism pre-combine. The important thing isn’t that he is a riser, it’s that he is now my RB14 in this class. Do you rank him lower?lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:52 pmWhy would Scarborough be a riser? He did the one thing he can do, which is be pretty athletic.Defender wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:23 pm Combine Affect: How it should be...
Riser:
Bo Scarborough RB17–>RB14 (& jumped up a tier)
[mostly speed/weight combo]
Faller:
Kerryon Johnson RB5–>RB8 (same tier)
[mostly light weight]
Every RB in my rankings, aside from the two listed above, are in exact same place now as they were right before the Combine. It is meant to give clarity, not dictate your rankings.
The standard is the standard.
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