SuperFlex thread
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SuperFlex thread
I'm always looking for more opinions and valuations for SF. What are your rankings/tiers and what does that value equate to in a PPR league?
How many quarterbacks jump into the elite status, as far as assets are concerned?
How many quarterbacks jump into the elite status, as far as assets are concerned?
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Re: SuperFlex thread
Rodgers
Luck
Wilson
Wentz
Dak
Goff
Watson
Jimmy G
Cousins
Newton
Winston
Stafford
Ryan
Trubisky
Carr
(Mahomes)
Brady
Brees
Bortles
Keenum
Rivers
Mariota
Big Ben
Smith
Tyrod
Dalton
(Lynch)
(McCarron)
Eli
Tannenhill
McCown
Flacco
Siemen
Kizer
Luck
Wilson
Wentz
Dak
Goff
Watson
Jimmy G
Cousins
Newton
Winston
Stafford
Ryan
Trubisky
Carr
(Mahomes)
Brady
Brees
Bortles
Keenum
Rivers
Mariota
Big Ben
Smith
Tyrod
Dalton
(Lynch)
(McCarron)
Eli
Tannenhill
McCown
Flacco
Siemen
Kizer
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Re: SuperFlex thread
I'd probably put Rodgers Wilson and wentz in a league of their own.
Newton is at the top of that next tier for me with jamies
Newton is at the top of that next tier for me with jamies
Re: SuperFlex thread
i would probably swap Watson and Dak..
i also think Mariota is too low, but understand it...
in a 1QB league, i own smith/mahomes and wilson and i am gonna try to sell wilson in the offseason...hope to get someone like winston and high 2nd...depending how good Mahomes looks
i also think Mariota is too low, but understand it...
in a 1QB league, i own smith/mahomes and wilson and i am gonna try to sell wilson in the offseason...hope to get someone like winston and high 2nd...depending how good Mahomes looks
team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
Watson, Brady, Mills
Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
Kelce, Andrews, Jacob Harris
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
Watson, Brady, Mills
Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
Kelce, Andrews, Jacob Harris
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Re: SuperFlex thread
I would rank them:
Wilson, Luck, Rodgers, Wentz
Watson, Mariota, Goff
Newton, Dak, Winston, Stafford, Cousins, Carr
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Wilson, Luck, Rodgers, Wentz
Watson, Mariota, Goff
Newton, Dak, Winston, Stafford, Cousins, Carr
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2QB-Dynasty - 10 Team standard scoring - 30man roster
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, K, D/ST
QB: Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, Matthew Stafford, Mike White, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Marcus Mariota
RB: Breece Hall, Tony Pollard, Najee Harris, Joe Mixon, Rashaad Penny, Damien Harris
WR: CeDee Lamb, Garrett Wilson, Stefon Diggs, Devonta Smith, Terry McLaurin, George Pickens, Calvin Ridley, Zay Flowers, Robert Woods, John Metchie, Marvin Mims
TE: Kyle Pitts, Irv Smith, Trey McBride
K: Tyler Bass
D/ST: Browns, Washington, Packers
Picks 2024: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Picks 2025: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Picks 2026: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, K, D/ST
QB: Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, Matthew Stafford, Mike White, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Marcus Mariota
RB: Breece Hall, Tony Pollard, Najee Harris, Joe Mixon, Rashaad Penny, Damien Harris
WR: CeDee Lamb, Garrett Wilson, Stefon Diggs, Devonta Smith, Terry McLaurin, George Pickens, Calvin Ridley, Zay Flowers, Robert Woods, John Metchie, Marvin Mims
TE: Kyle Pitts, Irv Smith, Trey McBride
K: Tyler Bass
D/ST: Browns, Washington, Packers
Picks 2024: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Picks 2025: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Picks 2026: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
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Re: SuperFlex thread
If it's standard scoring, then all the QBs are very valuable. But if you lower the floors by using a -2 or even a -3 penalty for INTs, and reduce the yardage points, then things get a little more interesting. The top QBs will still have tremendous value, but the bottom half of the starting QBs really plummet in value. This makes things much better, imho, as there's not an arms race to get 3 or more QBs. And someone can survive not having a 2nd starting QB, if they've got a really good set of WRs or RBs.
My preferred QB scoring approach (assuming standard positional scoring with 0.5 or full PPR):
4pts for TDs
2pts for 100 yards (incremented, 0.02 per yard, if my math is correct)
-3pts for INTs
-2pts for Pick6s
My preferred QB scoring approach (assuming standard positional scoring with 0.5 or full PPR):
4pts for TDs
2pts for 100 yards (incremented, 0.02 per yard, if my math is correct)
-3pts for INTs
-2pts for Pick6s
Re: SuperFlex thread
@Space Cowboy, I’m moving Luck out of the top tier and not even the headliner of tier 2. I’m also down on Dak and would add Cam and Watson to the top tier.
I’d also let someone else pay that price on Garoppolo with so little sample size. But I’m willing to b wrong on him, which means I’ll never own him. But ur paying for him at a projected ceiling at that ranking.
I’d drop Brees into tier 3 and move Tyrod and Alex Smith into tier 2. Really your tier 2 might be more useful to you if u viewed them as a Tier 2 for a contender (bringing Ben, Brady, Brees, Rivers into view) and a Tier 2 for a builder (where u can dismiss the older guys and buy years of production instead of immediate top production).
I love where u have Case Keenum and wish I had made a move for him around week 5-8. Now I think his owners are becoming believers themselves and will make u pay full price for him. I’m usually slow to react (see my Garoppolo comment) to small sample sizes.
Thanks for sharing ur tiers, it’s fun to see the differences between players.
Gosh I love superflex. I wish all my leagues were superflex.
I’d also let someone else pay that price on Garoppolo with so little sample size. But I’m willing to b wrong on him, which means I’ll never own him. But ur paying for him at a projected ceiling at that ranking.
I’d drop Brees into tier 3 and move Tyrod and Alex Smith into tier 2. Really your tier 2 might be more useful to you if u viewed them as a Tier 2 for a contender (bringing Ben, Brady, Brees, Rivers into view) and a Tier 2 for a builder (where u can dismiss the older guys and buy years of production instead of immediate top production).
I love where u have Case Keenum and wish I had made a move for him around week 5-8. Now I think his owners are becoming believers themselves and will make u pay full price for him. I’m usually slow to react (see my Garoppolo comment) to small sample sizes.
Thanks for sharing ur tiers, it’s fun to see the differences between players.
Gosh I love superflex. I wish all my leagues were superflex.
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Re: SuperFlex thread
Top few tiers off the top of my head:
Russell Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
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Carson Wentz
Deshaun Watson
Cam Newton
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Jared Goff
Jimmy Garoppolo
Marcus Mariota
Dak Prescott
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Kirk Cousins
Matthew Stafford
Andrew Luck
Patrick Mahomes
Jameis Winston
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Matt Ryan
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Derek Carr
Philip Rivers
Mitchell Trubisky
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Tyrod Taylor
Alex Smith
Ben Roethlisberger
Russell Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
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Carson Wentz
Deshaun Watson
Cam Newton
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Jared Goff
Jimmy Garoppolo
Marcus Mariota
Dak Prescott
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Kirk Cousins
Matthew Stafford
Andrew Luck
Patrick Mahomes
Jameis Winston
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Matt Ryan
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Derek Carr
Philip Rivers
Mitchell Trubisky
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Tyrod Taylor
Alex Smith
Ben Roethlisberger
Kittles Pox | Championships: 2015, 2017
12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd
12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd
Re: SuperFlex thread
Looks like I will be buying alot of Luck this year if these rankings are anywhere near reality
DLF HOF League 16 team PPR
QB: Brees, Bradford, Lock(3.07)
RB: David Johnson, Penny, Sanders(1.07), Montgomery(1.06), Love(2.07) Bernard, MLynch, Morris, TJLogan, Joe Williams, Shaun Wilson
WR: Jeffery,Cooper, Josh Gordon, Dede Westbrook, Cam Meredith, Brice Butler, Chester Rogers, Lockett, Switzer, Malone, Cain (IR)
TE: Gronk, Swaim, Maxx Williams
QB: Brees, Bradford, Lock(3.07)
RB: David Johnson, Penny, Sanders(1.07), Montgomery(1.06), Love(2.07) Bernard, MLynch, Morris, TJLogan, Joe Williams, Shaun Wilson
WR: Jeffery,Cooper, Josh Gordon, Dede Westbrook, Cam Meredith, Brice Butler, Chester Rogers, Lockett, Switzer, Malone, Cain (IR)
TE: Gronk, Swaim, Maxx Williams
Re: SuperFlex thread
Tier 1:
Rodgers & Wilson
Tier 2:
A cluster of 10-12 other guys
Let's be real - this is pretty accurate. Obviously Wentz, Goff & Watson are the hot names right now. Before this year there was Winston & Mariota - and lets not forget the influx of posts suggesting Carr is THE QB1. Or suggesting it's Dak. Next year it will be a couple more hot names like Jimmy G and probably a rookie or 2nd year guy. You got guys like Luck that people love. A controversial one like Cam or Cousins. Then reliable guys like Stafford and old man Rivers.
We put a premium on age around these parts - I get it, but ARod & Wilson are in that top tier; then it's the other guys.
Rodgers & Wilson
Tier 2:
A cluster of 10-12 other guys
Let's be real - this is pretty accurate. Obviously Wentz, Goff & Watson are the hot names right now. Before this year there was Winston & Mariota - and lets not forget the influx of posts suggesting Carr is THE QB1. Or suggesting it's Dak. Next year it will be a couple more hot names like Jimmy G and probably a rookie or 2nd year guy. You got guys like Luck that people love. A controversial one like Cam or Cousins. Then reliable guys like Stafford and old man Rivers.
We put a premium on age around these parts - I get it, but ARod & Wilson are in that top tier; then it's the other guys.
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Re: SuperFlex thread
yikes. jimmy g and mahomes must have done something marvelous i dont know aboutSpace Cowboy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:04 am Rodgers
Luck
Wilson
Wentz
Dak
Goff
Watson
Jimmy G
Cousins
Newton
Winston
Stafford
Ryan
Trubisky
Carr
(Mahomes)
Brady
Brees
Bortles
Keenum
Rivers
Mariota
Big Ben
Smith
Tyrod
Dalton
(Lynch)
(McCarron)
Eli
Tannenhill
McCown
Flacco
Siemen
Kizer
Wilson
Rodgers
Wentz
Watson
Luck
Newton
Goff
Prescott
Stafford
Cousins
Ryan
Winston
Mariota
Carr
Garrapolo
Bortles
Brady
Rivers
Brees
Roethlisberger
A. Smith
Dalton
Keenum
Bradford
Taylor
Mahomes
Tannehill
Bridgewater
Trubitsky
Brissett
Kizer
Manning
Flacco
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team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
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Re: SuperFlex thread
Ahhh... Nothing like personal rankings arguments to fill the off season with moments as exciting as watching paint dry.
"If on 4th down, the quarterback doesn't complete his pass, they will turn over the ball."
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Re: SuperFlex thread
ur opinion suxGridironGuerilla wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:35 pm Ahhh... Nothing like personal rankings arguments to fill the off season with moments as exciting as watching paint dry.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
Re: SuperFlex thread
I appreciate seeing people’s ranking actually. Shows variety and difference of opinion on what type of deals could be made if you can see a crossing point.GridironGuerilla wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:35 pm Ahhh... Nothing like personal rankings arguments to fill the off season with moments as exciting as watching paint dry.
What I enjoy less is people who nit pick peoples rankings without providing their own, or context of their own in comparison. “You’re too low on X” doesn’t add much unless you say why you think they should be higher and who moved down as a result (or where you’d put them in the same rank instead).
For me, I will have to give thought as to my ranks and post later.
Re: SuperFlex thread
Your right FiremanEd. I should have done just that on my previous post. I’ll come back to it when I’m on my comp since my tiered ranks aren’t on my phone.
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