Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
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Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
League has FAAB processing once per week. Team A is in the playoff mix and Team B is not. Team A was outbid on a D and K to replace his D/K on a bye this week. Team B offers his D/K to Team A for the D/K on byes and a late draft pick. If Team A accepts this trade, then Team B now has K/D on bye this week resulting in empty slots in his lineup. Team B doesn't care because he/she is looking to next year.
Is this tanking or smart?
Is this tanking or smart?
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Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
Doesn't seem like tanking to me. It helps team A, team B gets a pick and better draft status and maybe they even keep the K and D to improve their team.
I notice when teams get hit hard with bye weeks every now and then people will start someone on bye just because its not worth dropping someone to pick up a fill in.
I notice when teams get hit hard with bye weeks every now and then people will start someone on bye just because its not worth dropping someone to pick up a fill in.
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WR: O.Beckham, D.Hopkins, C.Kupp, D.Chark, R.Foster, A.Wilson, J.Reynolds, S.Morgan, B.Pringle, O.Johnson, D.Williams, D.Willis
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Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
Teams should be required to submit a full lineup
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Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
Then the waivers need to be reassessed
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Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
As long as they don't turn around and trade the DEF/K back to each other the week after.
You really should push for a 2nd waiver period though but no issues with the deal. Obviously tanking but doesn't sound like anything against the rules and smart way to ensure no fluke points.
You really should push for a 2nd waiver period though but no issues with the deal. Obviously tanking but doesn't sound like anything against the rules and smart way to ensure no fluke points.
Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
So either way one team is not starting a K and D this week is what you're saying. You need to process waivers more than once a week I'd say then, or have an open free agency period after waivers and before the games kickoff. You should always be required to start a full and active lineup, that's like rule number 1. But it sounds like the way you guys are set up, in some cases teams can't start a full lineup even if they wanted to if they get outbid during waivers and fail to find a replacement on their one shot a week at it. Seems like a flaw.
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Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
in my leagues i make owners start a viable lineup. you can put in bums or whatever but they gotta be playing. if you dont have the ability to add players you need to make a trade, even if a meaningless one
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
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Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
Problem is other teams don't carry 2 D's or K's so there is no meaningless trade available. I think we just need to adjust our waiver process next season.BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:13 am in my leagues i make owners start a viable lineup. you can put in bums or whatever but they gotta be playing. if you dont have the ability to add players you need to make a trade, even if a meaningless one
Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
Typically rules against tanking don't apply to roster moves, only to the starting lineup. This is an extreme case but roster moves don't need to give you a better chance of winning now so long as they improve your team in the future. The exception is that you should intend to submit a full lineup, but in this case that might be impossible. They could theoretically trade another team for another K/D, so this is not automatically tanking.
Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
agreed.Tsunami wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:14 am Typically rules against tanking don't apply to roster moves, only to the starting lineup. This is an extreme case but roster moves don't need to give you a better chance of winning now so long as they improve your team in the future. The exception is that you should intend to submit a full lineup, but in this case that might be impossible. They could theoretically trade another team for another K/D, so this is not automatically tanking.
Now if they trade back next week, that is collusion.
Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
Sounds like your waiver system is bad and this is the result
Are there any unowned D/Ks at all? If so, after waiver processes it should go to first come first serve pickup for times like this
Are there any unowned D/Ks at all? If so, after waiver processes it should go to first come first serve pickup for times like this
Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Achane, Dobbins, Algier, trash
WR: Nabers, Tank Dell, Addison, Shaheed, Thomas Jr. McConkey, K Coleman, JSN, QJ, S Jameson Williams, Corley, Polk, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, Juwan, Musgrave, Theo Johnson
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker
picks-
2025 1,1,1,1,2,3,4,5
2026- 1,2,2,3,4,5
team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2027
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Achane, Dobbins, Algier, trash
WR: Nabers, Tank Dell, Addison, Shaheed, Thomas Jr. McConkey, K Coleman, JSN, QJ, S Jameson Williams, Corley, Polk, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, Juwan, Musgrave, Theo Johnson
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker
picks-
2025 1,1,1,1,2,3,4,5
2026- 1,2,2,3,4,5
team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2027
Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
Here's the best solution: don't use DST or kickers. So much volatility and you just end up streaming those positions anyway. None of my three leagues use them.
.5PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
LJax, Burrow, Carr, Tyrod
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, AD, Pearsall, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Wicks, Flournoy, Boyd, Walker, Thrash, Washington, Whittington
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Moss, Dillon, Gore, Watson
Andrews, Kmet, Bell
PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington
PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF +.5TEP
Stroud, Caleb, Daniels, Cousins
Walker, J Cook, Miller, Spears, Rodriguez, Watson, Davis
St. Brown, MHJ, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Odunze, Doubs, Pearsall, Baker, Washington, Cowing, Thrash, Flournoy
Kincaid, Dulcich, Fant, Schoonmaker
LJax, Burrow, Carr, Tyrod
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, AD, Pearsall, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Wicks, Flournoy, Boyd, Walker, Thrash, Washington, Whittington
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Moss, Dillon, Gore, Watson
Andrews, Kmet, Bell
PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington
PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF +.5TEP
Stroud, Caleb, Daniels, Cousins
Walker, J Cook, Miller, Spears, Rodriguez, Watson, Davis
St. Brown, MHJ, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Odunze, Doubs, Pearsall, Baker, Washington, Cowing, Thrash, Flournoy
Kincaid, Dulcich, Fant, Schoonmaker
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Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
I'm with spotX here.
"If on 4th down, the quarterback doesn't complete his pass, they will turn over the ball."
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Re: Is this tanking (Sorry for the exhaustive topic)
This right here. No kickers, and unless your full IDP - no defense
12 Team 1QB PPR
8 Starters - QB 1, RB 2-3, WR 3-4, TE 1
QB - CJ Stroud, Justin Fields, Matthew Stafford
RB - Breece Hall, Zach Charbonnet, Dameon Pierce, D'Onta Foreman, Chris Rodriguez
WR - Garrett Wilson, Jaylen Waddle, DeVonta Smith, Nico Collins, Christian Watson, Jameson Williams, Michael Wilson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Marquise Brown
TE - Cole Kmet, Luke Schoonmaker, Darren Waller, Jelani Woods
Picks - 1.02, 1.09, 2.02, 4.02 -- All 2025 Picks
8 Starters - QB 1, RB 2-3, WR 3-4, TE 1
QB - CJ Stroud, Justin Fields, Matthew Stafford
RB - Breece Hall, Zach Charbonnet, Dameon Pierce, D'Onta Foreman, Chris Rodriguez
WR - Garrett Wilson, Jaylen Waddle, DeVonta Smith, Nico Collins, Christian Watson, Jameson Williams, Michael Wilson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Marquise Brown
TE - Cole Kmet, Luke Schoonmaker, Darren Waller, Jelani Woods
Picks - 1.02, 1.09, 2.02, 4.02 -- All 2025 Picks
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