Trade Value Chart

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Re: Trade Value Chart

Postby Ruffians27 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:29 am

lukkynumber13 wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:20 am There's no such thing as an accurate trade value chart, or calculator, etc. Flat out. It doesn't exist.

There are numerous reasons why, but just 2 big ones to focus on:

1. Value & price is very league-dependent (is it IDP? 10-team, 12-team, 16-team? PPR? Bonuses? 1st down bonuses? Pts per rush at all?) as far as scoring, league size, and lineup requirements. Especially in IDP leagues but even in offense only leagues. It's also very team specific. Are you a contender missing a strong RB corps? Rebuilder with some stud QBs and nothing else? A team with 6 WR1s but you can only start 2 each week?

2. This is even simpler: we can't gauge dynasty value enough to try and quantify it. We have dynasty rankings, sure. Those mean nothing, for the most part. I use them, but just as a point of reference to look back on or while I draft. Other than that, rankings and charts are only good for entertainment. Think of a trade value chart after the first week or 2 of the 2016 season: Ajayi would be somewhere between Chris Thompson & James Starks. Christine Michael & Spencer Ware would be some of the hottest RB commodities.

I'm more of an IDP geek, and I can't begin to tell you what an overhaul this season did to every IDP player's linebacker rankings. It was a total wipeout & restart.

So you'd have to update a trade chart daily, include variables for league size, roster size, lineup requirements, league scoring & setup, etc. Oh gosh, and what about salary caps... And FINALLY, after all that, you still can't quantify someone's personal team needs, a specific league's likelihood of trading, that one owner in every league who will never trade away a TE or QB unless he gets overpaid, etc.

Ok, so what are the key things to look at when trying to evaluate a trade offer to make sure its reasonably fair and your not insulting another league member? I apologize, I'm new to all this and trying to learn as much as I can.
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Re: Trade Value Chart

Postby abajaba » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:30 am

Valhalla wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:41 am
weeknee wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:35 am The guy hasn't even played a snap yet! If he was really going to be a top 4 wr, was is he not going 1st?
:doh:
I forgot to turn on the sarcasm font
I was trying to do that for you with my response but I guess it didn't work...
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Re: Trade Value Chart

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:10 pm

Yes. Valhalla and abajaba's posts were both ripe with sarcasm. You may wish to download the detection app for your future forum visits. :wink:
weeknee wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:02 pm Was this sarcasm?
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Re: Trade Value Chart

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:22 pm

Ruffians27 wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:29 am
lukkynumber13 wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:20 am There's no such thing as an accurate trade value chart, or calculator, etc. Flat out. It doesn't exist.

There are numerous reasons why, but just 2 big ones to focus on:

1. Value & price is very league-dependent (is it IDP? 10-team, 12-team, 16-team? PPR? Bonuses? 1st down bonuses? Pts per rush at all?) as far as scoring, league size, and lineup requirements. Especially in IDP leagues but even in offense only leagues. It's also very team specific. Are you a contender missing a strong RB corps? Rebuilder with some stud QBs and nothing else? A team with 6 WR1s but you can only start 2 each week?

2. This is even simpler: we can't gauge dynasty value enough to try and quantify it. We have dynasty rankings, sure. Those mean nothing, for the most part. I use them, but just as a point of reference to look back on or while I draft. Other than that, rankings and charts are only good for entertainment. Think of a trade value chart after the first week or 2 of the 2016 season: Ajayi would be somewhere between Chris Thompson & James Starks. Christine Michael & Spencer Ware would be some of the hottest RB commodities.

I'm more of an IDP geek, and I can't begin to tell you what an overhaul this season did to every IDP player's linebacker rankings. It was a total wipeout & restart.

So you'd have to update a trade chart daily, include variables for league size, roster size, lineup requirements, league scoring & setup, etc. Oh gosh, and what about salary caps... And FINALLY, after all that, you still can't quantify someone's personal team needs, a specific league's likelihood of trading, that one owner in every league who will never trade away a TE or QB unless he gets overpaid, etc.

Ok, so what are the key things to look at when trying to evaluate a trade offer to make sure its reasonably fair and your not insulting another league member? I apologize, I'm new to all this and trying to learn as much as I can.
Getting knee deep in these forums is a great start honestly. These are the people that make up the dynasty community. Post trade offers with a poll to get a feel for how people view them
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KELCE, Schultz
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BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: Trade Value Chart

Postby ADrunkenCaveman » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:26 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:22 pm
Ruffians27 wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:29 am
lukkynumber13 wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:20 am There's no such thing as an accurate trade value chart, or calculator, etc. Flat out. It doesn't exist.

There are numerous reasons why, but just 2 big ones to focus on:

1. Value & price is very league-dependent (is it IDP? 10-team, 12-team, 16-team? PPR? Bonuses? 1st down bonuses? Pts per rush at all?) as far as scoring, league size, and lineup requirements. Especially in IDP leagues but even in offense only leagues. It's also very team specific. Are you a contender missing a strong RB corps? Rebuilder with some stud QBs and nothing else? A team with 6 WR1s but you can only start 2 each week?

2. This is even simpler: we can't gauge dynasty value enough to try and quantify it. We have dynasty rankings, sure. Those mean nothing, for the most part. I use them, but just as a point of reference to look back on or while I draft. Other than that, rankings and charts are only good for entertainment. Think of a trade value chart after the first week or 2 of the 2016 season: Ajayi would be somewhere between Chris Thompson & James Starks. Christine Michael & Spencer Ware would be some of the hottest RB commodities.

I'm more of an IDP geek, and I can't begin to tell you what an overhaul this season did to every IDP player's linebacker rankings. It was a total wipeout & restart.

So you'd have to update a trade chart daily, include variables for league size, roster size, lineup requirements, league scoring & setup, etc. Oh gosh, and what about salary caps... And FINALLY, after all that, you still can't quantify someone's personal team needs, a specific league's likelihood of trading, that one owner in every league who will never trade away a TE or QB unless he gets overpaid, etc.

Ok, so what are the key things to look at when trying to evaluate a trade offer to make sure its reasonably fair and your not insulting another league member? I apologize, I'm new to all this and trying to learn as much as I can.
Getting knee deep in these forums is a great start honestly. These are the people that make up the dynasty community. Post trade offers with a poll to get a feel for how people view them
Agree. Pay attention to this forum and read as many topics/articles as you can. Back when I created my account in Nov. I was only curious about what dynasty was.. Now I feel like I've been playing for years because of all the different situations different people run into.
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