You probably would not want to evaluate a player based on who the the school previously produced at the position. I also wouldn't want to try and judge a player in relation to if he is better than another player that happened to play at the same school years ago.People Mover wrote:The last big name LSU running back was Jeremy Hill?
The last big name FSU running back was Devonta Freeman?
Clemson seems to have success developing big game receivers.
Georgia seems to produce solid running backs.
Could the same be true of Fournette and Cook?
Obviously skill sets are skill sets and you can't put too much stick in schools...but...I would think that if Cook is greater than Freeman, sign me up.
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The more I dive into this, the less decisive I get. I think I have to back off until we get some more information because, for me, its paralysis by analysis.
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I can only imagine what Fournette would've done behind FSU's line.
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I've watched some Fournette & Cook tape now.
I don't think anyone can say it is clearly one or the other.
Personally, I still prefer Cook.
I also don't think Fournette is the generational talent some are making him out to be. But then again, there's a new generational talent in every class according to many. I feel like it's a way to hype up the draft for the casual fan.
I think evaluating college RBs is one of the toughest things to do; mainly because the majority of the things these RBs pull off in college would never pan out like that in the NFL.
I don't think anyone can say it is clearly one or the other.
Personally, I still prefer Cook.
I also don't think Fournette is the generational talent some are making him out to be. But then again, there's a new generational talent in every class according to many. I feel like it's a way to hype up the draft for the casual fan.
I think evaluating college RBs is one of the toughest things to do; mainly because the majority of the things these RBs pull off in college would never pan out like that in the NFL.
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Re: The 1.01: Fournette or Cook
Why do you prefer Cook over Fournette? Does his size concern you at all?Phaded wrote:I've watched some Fournette & Cook tape now.
I don't think anyone can say it is clearly one or the other.
Personally, I still prefer Cook.
I also don't think Fournette is the generational talent some are making him out to be. But then again, there's a new generational talent in every class according to many. I feel like it's a way to hype up the draft for the casual fan.
I think evaluating college RBs is one of the toughest things to do; mainly because the majority of the things these RBs pull off in college would never pan out like that in the NFL.
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This is a great point.jimmychoi wrote:The more I dive into this, the less decisive I get. I think I have to back off until we get some more information because, for me, its paralysis by analysis.
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FSU's line was pretty bad this year. Roderick Johnson (their best linemen) was suppose to be a first round pick this year and he severely underperformedCameron Giles wrote:I can only imagine what Fournette would've done behind FSU's line.
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I would put it over LSU's line though. Not to mention, being in an offense where you have to respect the aerial game as well. Fournette is the only reason LSU's offense had any chance at being respectable.TomBobAnderson wrote:FSU's line was pretty bad this year. Roderick Johnson (their best linemen) was suppose to be a first round pick this year and he severely underperformedCameron Giles wrote:I can only imagine what Fournette would've done behind FSU's line.
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By the time training camp rolls around this thread is going to be 30+ pages....
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Re: The 1.01: Fournette or Cook
If anything has been made perfectly clear from the past few years, it is that situation is huge for RBs. Ask any Gurley owner....Any discussion of who is truly the '1.01' is pointless until we know where they will be.
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Gurley owner here. True. But only because both prospects are considered solid. No way I would have taken a lower tier player just because of situation. Though Gurley definitely has me paying more attention to that. It's not completely about who is good, it's also about who is in the right offense and situation.dm1129 wrote:If anything has been made perfectly clear from the past few years, it is that situation is huge for RBs. Ask any Gurley owner....Any discussion of who is truly the '1.01' is pointless until we know where they will be.
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Re: The 1.01: Fournette or Cook
Well, the Rams weren't exactly a dream situation and Gurley still went 1.01 in most drafts two years ago and finished as an RB1. The problem is the Rams offense got worse. As we know, situations change, so even if you're taking an RB, you better be sold on his talent more than you are the team he's going to.dm1129 wrote:If anything has been made perfectly clear from the past few years, it is that situation is huge for RBs. Ask any Gurley owner....Any discussion of who is truly the '1.01' is pointless until we know where they will be.
Zeke to Dallas was just a rare combination of a great talent going to a great situation.
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The point is this thread is going to continue to debate the minutiae of these two players without knowing a huge part of the equation. It is pointless to say one or the other is the '1.01' at this time.
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Re: The 1.01: Fournette or Cook
100% true. They had no offense besides Fournette and GuiceCameron Giles wrote:I would put it over LSU's line though. Not to mention, being in an offense where you have to respect the aerial game as well. Fournette is the only reason LSU's offense had any chance at being respectable.TomBobAnderson wrote:FSU's line was pretty bad this year. Roderick Johnson (their best linemen) was suppose to be a first round pick this year and he severely underperformedCameron Giles wrote:I can only imagine what Fournette would've done behind FSU's line.
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Not Fournette vs Cook but Fournette vs Elliott
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -fournette
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -fournette
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