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Mecole or Campbell
I own both players in separate leagues, and I'm not sure who is ahead of the other. During the offseason, the majority would have said Mecole, and that seems to have shifted after week 1. While it's obviously Campbell right now, long term I'm not sure.
Campbell pros: Already flex viable, should have a starting role secure.
Cons: Has done less with his NFL opportunities than Hardman. Long term questions at quarterback.
Mecole pros: Tied to the best offense and QB, produced more in the NFL, could be the #2 WR in 2021. Will have two full seasons under his belt at age 23, to Campbells 0.
Cons: May never be more than a special teams and offensive gadget player.
When I add it all up, I still think I would take Mecole if he becomes the #2 in KC, though Campbell is much safer.
Campbell pros: Already flex viable, should have a starting role secure.
Cons: Has done less with his NFL opportunities than Hardman. Long term questions at quarterback.
Mecole pros: Tied to the best offense and QB, produced more in the NFL, could be the #2 WR in 2021. Will have two full seasons under his belt at age 23, to Campbells 0.
Cons: May never be more than a special teams and offensive gadget player.
When I add it all up, I still think I would take Mecole if he becomes the #2 in KC, though Campbell is much safer.
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Re: Mecole or Campbell
I like Campbell more this season, but it's a toss up between the two long term. I still like Hardman being tied to Mahomes. Hopefully he starts seeing more snaps/targets.
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Re: Mecole or Campbell
And there goes Campbells knee. Hes only underwhelmed in the opportunities hes had and get injured. If he goes out in back to back seasons that's a huge black mark.
Mecoles opportunities have beenlimited, but hes done nothing but produce with them.
Mecoles opportunities have beenlimited, but hes done nothing but produce with them.
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Re: Mecole or Campbell
Still Campbell--he hasn't really underwhelmed when healthy and has shown more of a chance of being a consistent fantasy producer than Hardman ever has
Hardman will be a great special teams/gadget/field stretcher but unless Tyreek gets into trouble there isn't much for him here
He just isn't that kind of player
Imo the Chiefs will draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round next year
Of the two I wouldn't be expecting much from either though
Hardman will be a great special teams/gadget/field stretcher but unless Tyreek gets into trouble there isn't much for him here
He just isn't that kind of player
Imo the Chiefs will draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round next year
Of the two I wouldn't be expecting much from either though
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Re: Mecole or Campbell
Campbell hasnt underwhelmed? What has he done with his opportunities in 2 seasons, and what has Mecole done with his?StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:19 pm Still Campbell--he hasn't really underwhelmed when healthy and has shown more of a chance of being a consistent fantasy producer than Hardman ever has
Hardman will be a great special teams/gadget/field stretcher but unless Tyreek gets into trouble there isn't much for him here
He just isn't that kind of player
Imo the Chiefs will draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round next year
Of the two I wouldn't be expecting much from either though
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Re: Mecole or Campbell
You said underwhelmed and get injured. Pick one: do you count getting injured as underwhelming?MFundercover wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:25 amCampbell hasnt underwhelmed? What has he done with his opportunities in 2 seasons, and what has Mecole done with his?StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:19 pm Still Campbell--he hasn't really underwhelmed when healthy and has shown more of a chance of being a consistent fantasy producer than Hardman ever has
Hardman will be a great special teams/gadget/field stretcher but unless Tyreek gets into trouble there isn't much for him here
He just isn't that kind of player
Imo the Chiefs will draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round next year
Of the two I wouldn't be expecting much from either though
If not then no he hasn't underwhelmed--just gotten hurt
As for Hardman, he has done well in his niche--his niche just isn't a particularly useful one for fantasy like it is for Andy Reid and has shown no signs of expanding (even when Watkins has been hurt or when they had the option to let Watkins walk in the offseason)
Pretty much every knock on him from before--unrefined, lack of a route tree, inability to be a complete receiver--remains a valid concern
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Campbell has underwhelmed in the opportunities hes had. In two seasons his best games have been 5/25, 5/53, 6/71. And that's it. Nothing else even close to those, and I would call those fantasy stat lines underwhelming. Compare those to Hardmans best games. Even Mecoles last game (week 2) was as good as Campbells best ones.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:03 amYou said underwhelmed and get injured. Pick one: do you count getting injured as underwhelming?MFundercover wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:25 amCampbell hasnt underwhelmed? What has he done with his opportunities in 2 seasons, and what has Mecole done with his?StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:19 pm Still Campbell--he hasn't really underwhelmed when healthy and has shown more of a chance of being a consistent fantasy producer than Hardman ever has
Hardman will be a great special teams/gadget/field stretcher but unless Tyreek gets into trouble there isn't much for him here
He just isn't that kind of player
Imo the Chiefs will draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round next year
Of the two I wouldn't be expecting much from either though
If not then no he hasn't underwhelmed--just gotten hurt
As for Hardman, he has done well in his niche--his niche just isn't a particularly useful one for fantasy like it is for Andy Reid and has shown no signs of expanding (even when Watkins has been hurt or when they had the option to let Watkins walk in the offseason)
Pretty much every knock on him from before--unrefined, lack of a route tree, inability to be a complete receiver--remains a valid concern
I certainly would have resigned Watkins coming off of that super bowl performance.
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You realize those aren't bad performances for a rookie right?MFundercover wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:13 amCampbell has underwhelmed in the opportunities hes had. In two seasons his best games have been 5/25, 5/53, 6/71. And that's it. Nothing else even close to those, and I would call those fantasy stat lines underwhelming. Compare those to Hardmans best games. Even Mecoles last game (week 2) was as good as Campbells best ones.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:03 amYou said underwhelmed and get injured. Pick one: do you count getting injured as underwhelming?MFundercover wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:25 am
Campbell hasnt underwhelmed? What has he done with his opportunities in 2 seasons, and what has Mecole done with his?
If not then no he hasn't underwhelmed--just gotten hurt
As for Hardman, he has done well in his niche--his niche just isn't a particularly useful one for fantasy like it is for Andy Reid and has shown no signs of expanding (even when Watkins has been hurt or when they had the option to let Watkins walk in the offseason)
Pretty much every knock on him from before--unrefined, lack of a route tree, inability to be a complete receiver--remains a valid concern
I certainly would have resigned Watkins coming off of that super bowl performance.
There just aren't enough of them (because of injury)
And yes--I know Hardman has broken off a few chunk plays. That wasn't my skepticism of him
As I said I don't really expect much of either but Campbell has a better chance of being someone you can start with any degree of confidence
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Re: Mecole or Campbell
over the course of a 16 game seasonMFundercover wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:13 amCampbell has underwhelmed in the opportunities hes had. In two seasons his best games have been 5/25, 5/53, 6/71. And that's it. Nothing else even close to those, and I would call those fantasy stat lines underwhelming. Compare those to Hardmans best games. Even Mecoles last game (week 2) was as good as Campbells best ones.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:03 amYou said underwhelmed and get injured. Pick one: do you count getting injured as underwhelming?MFundercover wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:25 am
Campbell hasnt underwhelmed? What has he done with his opportunities in 2 seasons, and what has Mecole done with his?
If not then no he hasn't underwhelmed--just gotten hurt
As for Hardman, he has done well in his niche--his niche just isn't a particularly useful one for fantasy like it is for Andy Reid and has shown no signs of expanding (even when Watkins has been hurt or when they had the option to let Watkins walk in the offseason)
Pretty much every knock on him from before--unrefined, lack of a route tree, inability to be a complete receiver--remains a valid concern
I certainly would have resigned Watkins coming off of that super bowl performance.
5-25=80-400
5-53=80-848
6-71=96-1,136
his 3 games over the course of a season
16-149=85-794
obviously 5-25 isnt good, but the other 2 games are definitely not underperforming and considering those are his 1st 3 games it's a rather positive indicator 85-794 as a rookie is definitely above average.
Re: Mecole or Campbell
I have appreciated reading this debate. For me I still come down as wanting Mecole. It's his upside and being tied to Mahomes that get me. Parris has Rivers and who knows after that. I also think that Mecole has far out produced Campbell when given the opportunity, and a bigger opportunity is coming for both and Mecole will make a bigger impact with his.jjleurquin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:28 amover the course of a 16 game seasonMFundercover wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:13 amCampbell has underwhelmed in the opportunities hes had. In two seasons his best games have been 5/25, 5/53, 6/71. And that's it. Nothing else even close to those, and I would call those fantasy stat lines underwhelming. Compare those to Hardmans best games. Even Mecoles last game (week 2) was as good as Campbells best ones.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:03 am
You said underwhelmed and get injured. Pick one: do you count getting injured as underwhelming?
If not then no he hasn't underwhelmed--just gotten hurt
As for Hardman, he has done well in his niche--his niche just isn't a particularly useful one for fantasy like it is for Andy Reid and has shown no signs of expanding (even when Watkins has been hurt or when they had the option to let Watkins walk in the offseason)
Pretty much every knock on him from before--unrefined, lack of a route tree, inability to be a complete receiver--remains a valid concern
I certainly would have resigned Watkins coming off of that super bowl performance.
5-25=80-400
5-53=80-848
6-71=96-1,136
his 3 games over the course of a season
16-149=85-794
obviously 5-25 isnt good, but the other 2 games are definitely not underperforming and considering those are his 1st 3 games it's a rather positive indicator 85-794 as a rookie is definitely above average.
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Re: Mecole or Campbell
Mecole continues to take advantage of his opportunities while Campbell continues to underwhelm and get injured.
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He still hasn't underwhelmed while healthy. Saying it again and again doesn't make it trueMFundercover wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:38 pm Mecole continues to take advantage of his opportunities while Campbell continues to underwhelm and get injured.
But this was the first time I saw Hardman as a potential fantasy starter
I think I'd lean his way at this point
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Re: Mecole or Campbell
I see the potential with Campbell, I just see so much more with Hardman. He's shown more and continues to show it.
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He looks like Tyreek liteMFundercover wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:02 pm I see the potential with Campbell, I just see so much more with Hardman. He's shown more and continues to show it.
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Re: Mecole or Campbell
Campbell has WAY better size and looks like more of a polished receiver than Hardman despite hardly playing.
That being said, Hardman is staying healthy building rapport with Patrick Mahomes to go along with his blazing speed. Campbell may be a 1-for-1 better player but that kind of role produces big fantasy points.
That being said, Hardman is staying healthy building rapport with Patrick Mahomes to go along with his blazing speed. Campbell may be a 1-for-1 better player but that kind of role produces big fantasy points.
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