A Jones or DJ Chark?

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A Jones or DJ Chark?

Poll ended at Mon May 25, 2020 9:24 am

Aaron Jones
9
47%
DJ Chark
10
53%
 
Total votes: 19

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A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby MFundercover » Mon May 18, 2020 9:24 am

In a vacuum
Team 1 (Main)

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Goff

RB: Sanders, A Jones, Drake, Harris, Scott, Edmonds, J Williams, R Freeman

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Hardman, G Tate, K. Cole, DeSean, Reynolds, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Schultz, Allie-Cox

IR: Sutton, Njoku, St. Brown

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 3rd, 5th

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Wentz, Cousins, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby joeya2001 » Mon May 18, 2020 11:31 am

I would take the Dyson over a Hoover
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR 1TE, Super Flex, 2 Flex Spots. 10 Team Dynasty PPR

2016 Champs 2019 Runner up 2020 Champs

QB- Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson,
RB- David Johnson,Jeff Wilson Damian Harris, Le'Veon Bell Lenard Forunette, AJ Dillion, Miles Gaskin,
WR- Mike Evans, Allen Robinson, Amari Cooper, Robert Woods, Calvin Ridley,DJ Chark, Michael Pittman,
TE- George Kittle,Darren Waller, Jonnu Smith,

Team 2 10 Team 1 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 2 Flex 2 SF

2020 3rd place Year 1

QB Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins, Jalen Hurts
RB Zeke, Alvin Kamara, Aaron Jones, DeAndre Swift, Cohen, AJ Dillon
WR Deebo Samuel, Keenan Allen, Jarvis Landry, D.J. Chark Tee Higgins, Marvin Jones,
TE Tyler Higbee, Dallas Goedert,

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby shiningaxl » Mon May 18, 2020 3:10 pm

Short Term, Jones. Long term, Chark
12 team Dynasty Superflex, 0.5 PPR, TE Premium 1 PPR, 25 player roster+ 10 player Taxi
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, SFlex, Flex, Flex, IDP, IDP, IDP

QB: Patrick Mahomes, Teddy Bridgewater, Mason Rudolph
RB: Tarik Cohen, Jalen Richard, Ito Smith, Bryce Love
WR: D.J. Moore, AJ Brown, Anthony Miller, Travis Fulgham, Jace Guyton, Miles Boykin
TE: Tyler Higbee, Ian Thomas, David Njokou, Gerald Everett, Chris Herndon
IDP: Deion Jones, Landon Collins, Zach Cunningham, Roquan Smith, Nick Bosa, Za’Darius Smith, Mike Hilton, Danielle Hunter

Taxi: QB (Joe Burrow)RB (A.J. Dillon, Lamical Perine, Lynn Bowden, Justice Hill, Ryquell Armstead), WR (Jerry Jeudy, Jalen Reagor, Diontae Johnson, Van Jefferson),

2021 Picks: 1.05, 1.07, 1.10, 2.05, 3.05, 5.05
2022 Picks: 3 1sts, 1 2nd, 1 3rd,

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby Gator Sens » Mon May 18, 2020 4:08 pm

shiningaxl wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 3:10 pm
Short Term, Jones. Long term, Chark
x2

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby MFundercover » Tue May 19, 2020 12:08 am

Gator Sens wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:08 pm
shiningaxl wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 3:10 pm
Short Term, Jones. Long term, Chark
x2
The assasination of Aaron Jones and overvaluing of youth is hilarious. Just because the players are 25 and 23 respectively doesn't make the WR with a WR 2 ceiling catching balls from Gardner Minchew more valuable than the second most efficient per touch back in fantasy football. Even with uncertainty around his contract, a team will be needing his services in 2021 and beyond. Worst case, he lands an Austin Ekeler type satelite back role, which makes him a borderline high rb2 with rb1 upside for 4 seasons. Best case, Chark continues posting middling WR2 numbers for 3 years past that and becomes Marvin Jones after Aaron is finished.

Basically, you can have rb1 upside with Jones and then buy a late 20s wr2 for a 2nd round pick after he's done. That's better than going with Garnder Minchews top WR fornhis career.
Team 1 (Main)

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Goff

RB: Sanders, A Jones, Drake, Harris, Scott, Edmonds, J Williams, R Freeman

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Hardman, G Tate, K. Cole, DeSean, Reynolds, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Schultz, Allie-Cox

IR: Sutton, Njoku, St. Brown

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 3rd, 5th

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Wentz, Cousins, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby MFundercover » Tue May 19, 2020 10:17 am

Cant believe Chark is winning this poll. You people are morons.
Team 1 (Main)

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Goff

RB: Sanders, A Jones, Drake, Harris, Scott, Edmonds, J Williams, R Freeman

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Hardman, G Tate, K. Cole, DeSean, Reynolds, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Schultz, Allie-Cox

IR: Sutton, Njoku, St. Brown

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 3rd, 5th

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Wentz, Cousins, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby MFundercover » Tue May 19, 2020 10:26 am

Gator Sens wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:08 pm
shiningaxl wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 3:10 pm
Short Term, Jones. Long term, Chark
x2
Charks ceiling is capped by being the possession receiver for Minchew. Why not hold Jones, take a rb2 floor and rb1 ceiling for 3-4 years? You can just buy a late 20 something year old wr2 after Jones is done for a 2nd round pick. I'll take rb1 upside minus a 2nd round pick over that for sure.


It's really not even close.
Team 1 (Main)

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Goff

RB: Sanders, A Jones, Drake, Harris, Scott, Edmonds, J Williams, R Freeman

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Hardman, G Tate, K. Cole, DeSean, Reynolds, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Schultz, Allie-Cox

IR: Sutton, Njoku, St. Brown

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 3rd, 5th

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Wentz, Cousins, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby MFundercover » Tue May 19, 2020 11:31 am

This place is a joke :lol:
Team 1 (Main)

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Goff

RB: Sanders, A Jones, Drake, Harris, Scott, Edmonds, J Williams, R Freeman

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Hardman, G Tate, K. Cole, DeSean, Reynolds, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Schultz, Allie-Cox

IR: Sutton, Njoku, St. Brown

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 3rd, 5th

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Wentz, Cousins, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby megager » Tue May 19, 2020 3:55 pm

MFundercover wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:17 am
Cant believe Chark is winning this poll. You people are morons.
On the contrary, this forum has the most knowledgeable and helpful dynasty members.
Team 1
12 Team dynasty .5 PPR
QB,3WR, 2RB, 2flex, 1 TE

QB
Ryan Tannehill

Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Cam Newton

RB
Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs,

JK Dobbins , Saquon Barkley, Darrynton Evans, jamycal Hasty

WR
Amari Cooper, Tyler Lockett, Allen Robinson, Cee Dee Lamb, Robert Woods ,

Jerry Jeudy, Mike Williams, Antonio Brown, Keelan Cole, Isiah Coulter, Dante Pettis

TE Dallas Goedert
Drew Sample, David Njoku, Gerald Everett

2021 2.02, 3.01
2023 1st

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby dirkey » Wed May 20, 2020 12:16 am

megager wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 3:55 pm
MFundercover wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:17 am
Cant believe Chark is winning this poll. You people are morons.
On the contrary, this forum has the most knowledgeable and helpful dynasty members.
Thankfully this aggressive and extremely irritable poster, who has only been here 4 days, thinks the place is a joke, so he'll be gone soon.

Then we can be back to respectful, helpful chats.

It's hilarious. I've seen it a few times. Puts up a question. People disagree. Calls everyone idiots. Unless people agree with his opinion, they're idiots.
12 Team, 23-man Roster (2 IR), Half point PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE).

QB: Wilson, Mayfield, Herbert.
RB: McCaffrey, Chubb, Mixon, Jamaal Williams, Mack, Gus, Hines, Bonnafon, Bernard, Rodney Anderson.
WR: Hopkins, JuJu, Landry, Chark, Parker, Gallup, Anthony Miller
TE: Higbee, Njoku, Ebron.

Draft Picks
2021: 1st, 1st, 1st.
2022: 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby MFundercover » Wed May 20, 2020 12:48 am

megager wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 3:55 pm
MFundercover wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:17 am
Cant believe Chark is winning this poll. You people are morons.
On the contrary, this forum has the most knowledgeable and helpful dynasty members.
This forum doesn't have much discussion or information sharing. Ita just black and white. This forum is the only place I have seen rank Chark over Jones, which is a hot take that needs some explaining, but you get none here.
Team 1 (Main)

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Goff

RB: Sanders, A Jones, Drake, Harris, Scott, Edmonds, J Williams, R Freeman

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Hardman, G Tate, K. Cole, DeSean, Reynolds, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Schultz, Allie-Cox

IR: Sutton, Njoku, St. Brown

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 3rd, 5th

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Wentz, Cousins, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby MFundercover » Wed May 20, 2020 12:50 am

dirkey wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 12:16 am
megager wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 3:55 pm
MFundercover wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:17 am
Cant believe Chark is winning this poll. You people are morons.
On the contrary, this forum has the most knowledgeable and helpful dynasty members.
Thankfully this aggressive and extremely irritable poster, who has only been here 4 days, thinks the place is a joke, so he'll be gone soon.

Then we can be back to respectful, helpful chats.

It's hilarious. I've seen it a few times. Puts up a question. People disagree. Calls everyone idiots. Unless people agree with his opinion, they're idiots.
I only call people idiots for ranking Chark over Jones. No other forums or rankings make that claim, and nobody even really offers explanation for it here. It's a pretty terrible opinion that nobody outside of this forum agrees with.
Last edited by MFundercover on Wed May 20, 2020 1:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
Team 1 (Main)

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Goff

RB: Sanders, A Jones, Drake, Harris, Scott, Edmonds, J Williams, R Freeman

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Hardman, G Tate, K. Cole, DeSean, Reynolds, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Schultz, Allie-Cox

IR: Sutton, Njoku, St. Brown

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 3rd, 5th

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Wentz, Cousins, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby elvisn » Wed May 20, 2020 12:58 am

dirkey wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 12:16 am
megager wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 3:55 pm
MFundercover wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:17 am
Cant believe Chark is winning this poll. You people are morons.
On the contrary, this forum has the most knowledgeable and helpful dynasty members.
Thankfully this aggressive and extremely irritable poster, who has only been here 4 days, thinks the place is a joke, so he'll be gone soon.

Then we can be back to respectful, helpful chats.

It's hilarious. I've seen it a few times. Puts up a question. People disagree. Calls everyone idiots. Unless people agree with his opinion, they're idiots.
Hey, that's only my response when Ke'Shawn Vaughn is involved, I'm normally nice and well rounded :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Team 1
2019 Champions
12 Team - 0.5 PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex(WRT). Bench 11, IR 2.

QB: Drew Brees, Minshew, Hurts.
RB: Alvin Kamara, Leonard Fournette, Derrius Guice, Ronald Jones, AJ Dillon, Justin Jackson, Bryce Love, Latavius Murray.
WR: Michael Thomas, Mike Evans, Tyreek Hill, DK Metcalf, Julian Edelman, Breshad Perriman, Bryan Edwards.
TE: Evan Engram, Dallas Goedert, Adam Trautman.

Picks:
2021: 1st, 3rd.
2022: 1st, 3rd.
2023: 1st ,2nd, 3rd.

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10 Team - PPR, 4pts Pass TD, 6pts Rec/Rush TD, Return scoring yards/TDs.
Start: 2QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 4Flex

QB: LJax, Goff, Minshew, Hurts, Rosen.
RB: Chubb, Cook, Dobbins, Hunt, Michel, DFreeman, J Jackson, Boone, J Hill, Love, Scott.
WR: DK, JuJu, Diontae J, Cooks, Crowder, Campbell, Edwards, A Miller, Sims, AB, Laviska, S Miller.
TE: Higbee, OJ Howard, Cook, Gesicki.

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby MFundercover » Wed May 20, 2020 1:13 am

elvisn wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 12:58 am
dirkey wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 12:16 am
megager wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 3:55 pm


On the contrary, this forum has the most knowledgeable and helpful dynasty members.
Thankfully this aggressive and extremely irritable poster, who has only been here 4 days, thinks the place is a joke, so he'll be gone soon.

Then we can be back to respectful, helpful chats.

It's hilarious. I've seen it a few times. Puts up a question. People disagree. Calls everyone idiots. Unless people agree with his opinion, they're idiots.
Hey, that's only my response when Ke'Shawn Vaughn is involved, I'm normally nice and well rounded :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I actually think it's the sell window on Jones, I'm not even arguing that. Nobody here will even post an argument in favor of Chark, that's why I'm calling people idiots.
Team 1 (Main)

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Goff

RB: Sanders, A Jones, Drake, Harris, Scott, Edmonds, J Williams, R Freeman

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Hardman, G Tate, K. Cole, DeSean, Reynolds, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Schultz, Allie-Cox

IR: Sutton, Njoku, St. Brown

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 3rd, 5th

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Wentz, Cousins, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: A Jones or DJ Chark?

Postby dirkey » Wed May 20, 2020 1:21 am

MFundercover wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 12:50 am
dirkey wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 12:16 am
megager wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 3:55 pm


On the contrary, this forum has the most knowledgeable and helpful dynasty members.
Thankfully this aggressive and extremely irritable poster, who has only been here 4 days, thinks the place is a joke, so he'll be gone soon.

Then we can be back to respectful, helpful chats.

It's hilarious. I've seen it a few times. Puts up a question. People disagree. Calls everyone idiots. Unless people agree with his opinion, they're idiots.
I only call people iduots for ranking Chark over Jones. No other forums or rankings make that claim, and nobody even really offers explanation for it here. It's a pretty terrible opinion that nobody outside of this forum agrees with.
Take a look back at the thread. You asked a simple question. Who would you pick, in a vacuum. You actually got more than that from the first couple of people who responded - they said, Jones short term, Chark long term. So, they gave you something.

You then went on a rant about how people overvalue Chark and undervalue Jones for some reason. Because they didn't immediately agree that Jones should be the choice?

You've repeatedly called Chark a possession receiver. Have you watched him play? Because, you're wrong. You say his ceiling is limited. Again, you're wrong. He was WR5 through 11 weeks of the season. That's not a 2 week flash in the pan. And who was throwing him the ball for most of those games? Minshew. He did fall off in the latter part of the season.

Maybe the first part of the season was a mirage? We don't know for sure. But a lot of us liked what we saw. He had a 20 odd % target share last year, and he's a big bodied number 1 type receiver, so it's likely his target share goes up. You talk about Minshew a lot, but whatever about him, they developed a rapport, so that can help. He had a decent enough catch rate. It wasn't spectacular, but it was fine. Improve on that a little, have his target share go up a little .. and things look good. He might regress with regard to touchdowns, that's always a variable.

Ultimately, who knows? There are reasons not to like him too. The difference between me (and 99% of the rest of the posters on this form) and you, is that, I know that ... we don't know everything. We can't predict the future. You're hell bent that the rest of us are idiots for liking Chark - we know that we might be right, but we might be wrong. Hell, professional GMs, who do this for a living, and are actual experts - not self proclaimed like yourself on this forum - get it wrong more often than right. Think about that for a minute.

Actually, maybe the Franchises should think about you? Since you rarely get it wrong. Maybe you should reach out to them.

As for Jones - bear in mind I am relatively high on him in relation to a lot on the forum. However, his touchdown number will regress. That's just ... that's as close to definite as you can get in football. He had a fantastic season, while in RBBC. And what has his coach talked about since? Getting Jamaal Williams more involved. What has the front office done? Drafted a new running back. What does that tell you? His time is probably coming to a close in Green Bay. You're full sure he's going to get a contract elsewhere as a number 1. Well, that's a variable that the rest of us don't like, and some aren't willing to bet on. For me, the fact the Franchise where he's done it can't agree a contract with him, and are openly talking about getting others more involved...that's a red flag. That doesn't lead me to believe anyone is going to be in a huge rush to pick him up.

I'm simply giving you some reasons people might like Chark, and some reasons people might be down on Jones. That's what you're asking for. Well, it's not what you initially asked for, but it's what you changed the question to after you were pulled up on calling people idiots.
12 Team, 23-man Roster (2 IR), Half point PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE).

QB: Wilson, Mayfield, Herbert.
RB: McCaffrey, Chubb, Mixon, Jamaal Williams, Mack, Gus, Hines, Bonnafon, Bernard, Rodney Anderson.
WR: Hopkins, JuJu, Landry, Chark, Parker, Gallup, Anthony Miller
TE: Higbee, Njoku, Ebron.

Draft Picks
2021: 1st, 1st, 1st.
2022: 1st, 2nd, 3rd.


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