Juju or AJ Brown

[GOTGDynasty]

I own AJ Brown. I was offered Juju.

I'm hanging on to both. If the rival seems willing to get some trade value out of JuJu and you're not quite persuaded to let AJB go, try floating some other trade for JuJu. Look at the mediocrity at QB he had to work with last season. I want to see what he does with Big Ben back tossing the ball and a year out of the Antonio Brown fiasco. At 23, JuJu is only seven months older than AJB (I likewise don't buy the "sell high" hype on a talent like AJB). Sit tight and insist on significant additional value before letting go of him. But see if you can get JuJu some other way. People tend to only offer what they don't fully value.

[henry1jg]

I own AJ Brown. I was offered Juju. Im afraid AJ and the titans wont be able to have the same efficiency like they had at the end of the year. Last year Juju was drafted as a top 3 Wr in most leagues. What are your guesses thoughts? Im torn

I'm team Juju personally. I just love everything about him & I believe he outscored AJ over the course of the next 3 years, which is how I try to value my dynasty rankings.

[Blackout]

Still Juju

[StripesOfKC]

I own AJ Brown. I was offered Juju. Im afraid AJ and the titans wont be able to have the same efficiency like they had at the end of the year. Last year Juju was drafted as a top 3 Wr in most leagues. What are your guesses thoughts? Im torn

I'm team Juju personally. I just love everything about him & I believe he outscored AJ over the course of the next 3 years, which is how I try to value my dynasty rankings.

Considering he couldn’t out score Taylor Gabriel and Chris Conley his first go as a number 1, this would really be something

[gunfrees]

I own AJ Brown. I was offered Juju. Im afraid AJ and the titans wont be able to have the same efficiency like they had at the end of the year. Last year Juju was drafted as a top 3 Wr in most leagues. What are your guesses thoughts? Im torn

I'm team Juju personally. I just love everything about him & I believe he outscored AJ over the course of the next 3 years, which is how I try to value my dynasty rankings.

Considering he couldn’t out score Taylor Gabriel and Chris Conley his first go as a number 1, this would really be something

Hard to out score anyone with mason rudolph at the helm...

[StripesOfKC]

I'm team Juju personally. I just love everything about him & I believe he outscored AJ over the course of the next 3 years, which is how I try to value my dynasty rankings.

Considering he couldn’t out score Taylor Gabriel and Chris Conley his first go as a number 1, this would really be something

Hard to out score anyone with mason rudolph at the helm...

Hard to do it with the corpse of Joe Flacco, Brandon Allen, David Blough, Jeff Driskel, Kyle Allen, Will Grier, Mitch Trubisky and Chase Daniel at the helm yet truly great players did it

[jjleurquin]

I've got AJ over JuJu by a wide margin. Very few red flags on AJ Brown, lots on JuJu.

[nathanq42]

Notice how no one has anything negative to say for AJ brown, nor is anyone making excuses for him. Dude had a great rookie season as the top WR on a run first team with well below par QB play. Easily brown

[twofirstnames]

I'm torn on this one myself, but I will add that the argument that good WRs should be able to produce w/ bad QB play is definitely oversimplifying things.

Not all bad QB play is the same. Hopkins produced fine with Tom Savage but was disappointing with Brock Osweiler. Allen Robinson was awesome with Bortles in 2015 but then horribly inefficient with Bortles again in 2016. JuJu was bad w/ Rudolph and Hodges but balled out in one game w/ Landry Jones (while AB was injured) at the end of 2017. Heck, even AJ Brown became much more productive with Tannehill than he was with Mariota (at least if you go by PFF grades)...why couldn't he produce well regardless of who his QB was?

JuJu and AJB had very similar rookie years production-wise (JuJu played two fewer games than AJB, but in terms of yards per game they're almost identical). Yes JuJu was playing with AB for his first two years, but until last season that was actually viewed as a detriment to his potential fantasy production. AJB did it without a superstar to draw attention, but on the other hand it's not like opponents were putting their top corner on him the entire length of the season either; he was an unknown rookie.

There are good arguments to be made on either side, which is why I have these guys valued so similarly. But the argument that bad QB play isn't an excuse because some receivers can play well with backups isn't convincing to me.

[curtisn16]

Notice how no one has anything negative to say for AJ brown, nor is anyone making excuses for him. Dude had a great rookie season as the top WR on a run first team with well below par QB play. Easily brown

Nailed it.

[StripesOfKC]

I'm torn on this one myself, but I will add that the argument that good WRs should be able to produce w/ bad QB play is definitely oversimplifying things.

Not all bad QB play is the same. Hopkins produced fine with Tom Savage but was disappointing with Brock Osweiler. Allen Robinson was awesome with Bortles in 2015 but then horribly inefficient with Bortles again in 2016. JuJu was bad w/ Rudolph and Hodges but balled out in one game w/ Landry Jones (while AB was injured) at the end of 2017. Heck, even AJ Brown became much more productive with Tannehill than he was with Mariota (at least if you go by PFF grades)...why couldn't he produce well regardless of who his QB was?

JuJu and AJB had very similar rookie years production-wise (JuJu played two fewer games than AJB, but in terms of yards per game they're almost identical). Yes JuJu was playing with AB for his first two years, but until last season that was actually viewed as a detriment to his potential fantasy production. AJB did it without a superstar to draw attention, but on the other hand it's not like opponents were putting their top corner on him the entire length of the season either; he was an unknown rookie.

There are good arguments to be made on either side, which is why I have these guys valued so similarly. But the argument that bad QB play isn't an excuse because some receivers can play well with backups isn't convincing to me.

Well Hopkins even with Osweiler finished WR24-27 as did ARob in 2016. Juju couldn't crack the top 60. Not at all comparable

And AJB's games with Mariota were the first 6 games of his career--and as a result had suppressed snap counts (in the 40s % wise compared to 80%+ later in the year) and number of routes run (in the teens compared to high 20s and low 30s later in the year). Totally different from 3rd year WR Juju flopping like a dead fish when he got the number 1 CB and a not good QB

AB was viewed as a detriment by many (including me) because we thought Juju was an elite talent. For elite talents target competition is bad and a ceiling capper (like how Davante and MT broke into elite tier when Jordy Nelson and Brandin Cooks left). For non elite talents it is a good thing because it diverts the defense's focus--which, if focused on a non elite talent, drops off their production.
Juju proved me (and many others wrong) and showed loud and clear which camp he falls into last season.

[SteveMaddensShoes]

I doubt Juju is a top 12 dynasty player.

It would be so rare though to have someone do what he did, at his age, and then just fall off the map into utter obscurity. I'd guess he ends up being a reliable wr2 throughout his career.

I think twofirstnames did a good job of addressing different reasons he flopped and how it isn't such an outlier of a season under the circumstances.

I don't like owning him but no takers yet on selling him either. I'd cash out if possible at his current adp if I could. I don't like my top 12 guys to be one season away from being worth a 2nd round pick if they have a bad year. But a good year and he is back to being a top 2 wr.

But, I think that fear and bitterness is clouding what he is capable of. It is for me.

If he goes back to what he was doing in those 1st 3 games, 88/1200, I'll be quite pleased with the result.

As far as the broken play, it was a broken play vs the 49ers, but they were a pretty damn good defense and he did break loose. That actually does count.

[Jfever]

Qb play aside. Turf toe is a tough one to play through. Clearly that part of this equation is being minimized to fit a narrative. I have these two very close in value.