And you can get all the yoga teachers in India, and they can't loosen up JTs hips or knees. The dude runs straight. He can't cut, juke, sink or spin. He better get college style lanes, cuz he ain't gonna make many guys miss. And most lineman and LBs can manhandle a 225 lb dude. This isn't 1990. 225 ain't big anymore.
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The guy has the talent to lead the NFL in rushing. People are arguing apples and oranges with these 2. I want them both.Cult of Dionysus wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:32 pmAnd you can get all the yoga teachers in India, and they can't loosen up JTs hips or knees. The dude runs straight. He can't cut, juke, sink or spin. He better get college style lanes, cuz he ain't gonna make many guys miss. And most lineman and LBs can manhandle a 225 lb dude. This isn't 1990. 225 ain't big anymore.
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He also had the 4th best 3-cone drill among RBs, so he's not just the DK of RBs, but DK faired pretty well himself too.Cult of Dionysus wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:32 pmAnd you can get all the yoga teachers in India, and they can't loosen up JTs hips or knees. The dude runs straight. He can't cut, juke, sink or spin. He better get college style lanes, cuz he ain't gonna make many guys miss. And most lineman and LBs can manhandle a 225 lb dude. This isn't 1990. 225 ain't big anymore.
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The NFL has also gotten faster, and in some cases smaller due to the increased passing in the league. Not sure to the average weight of LB's compared to 1990, but regardless, I haven't seen many cases of Saquon, Chubb or Zeke getting "manhandled" yet.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:07 pmHe also had the 4th best 3-cone drill among RBs, so he's not just the DK of RBs, but DK faired pretty well himself too.Cult of Dionysus wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:32 pmAnd you can get all the yoga teachers in India, and they can't loosen up JTs hips or knees. The dude runs straight. He can't cut, juke, sink or spin. He better get college style lanes, cuz he ain't gonna make many guys miss. And most lineman and LBs can manhandle a 225 lb dude. This isn't 1990. 225 ain't big anymore.
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Taylor for me
I simply believe he is the type of player you can build an offense around and CEH is more of a complementary piece. In KC DWilliams role and usage may not change much at all and I believe Mack's will change considerably by mid-season if not sooner
Often when I am evaluating players (same position) I try to think if their situations were reversed who do I want.
I simply believe he is the type of player you can build an offense around and CEH is more of a complementary piece. In KC DWilliams role and usage may not change much at all and I believe Mack's will change considerably by mid-season if not sooner
Often when I am evaluating players (same position) I try to think if their situations were reversed who do I want.
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I think if you did this poll in March, it would've been lopsided in Taylor's favor.
Not to imply that Edwards-Helaire lacks talent or ability, but situation is largely pumping up so much of his value right now. Granted, new information allows us to adjust, and CEH going into a optimal landing spot definitely helps him out. But, is he really a better player than Taylor, or many of the RBs going behind him? I don't know about that.
Long-term, I think Taylor is the better fantasy asset.
Not to imply that Edwards-Helaire lacks talent or ability, but situation is largely pumping up so much of his value right now. Granted, new information allows us to adjust, and CEH going into a optimal landing spot definitely helps him out. But, is he really a better player than Taylor, or many of the RBs going behind him? I don't know about that.
Long-term, I think Taylor is the better fantasy asset.
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Pretty Obvious KC thinks CEH is the better back. Fantasy wise hard to say. I thought Swift was the best back but I am taking CEH at 1.1 due to landing spot.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:10 pm I think if you did this poll in March, it would've been lopsided in Taylor's favor.
Not to imply that Edwards-Helaire lacks talent or ability, but situation is largely pumping up so much of his value right now. Granted, new information allows us to adjust, and CEH going into a optimal landing spot definitely helps him out. But, is he really a better player than Taylor, or many of the RBs going behind him? I don't know about that.
Long-term, I think Taylor is the better fantasy asset.
Actually think CEH will be the better fantasy asset. I imagine the debate will rage for a few years on the top backs from this class.
Wouldn't be shocked if it's a different back that is ultimately the best fantasy back from this class.
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We really just know that KC thought CEH would be a better fit in their offense than any other RB from this class.Ice wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 4:03 pmPretty Obvious KC thinks CEH is the better back. Fantasy wise hard to say. I thought Swift was the best back but I am taking CEH at 1.1 due to landing spot.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:10 pm I think if you did this poll in March, it would've been lopsided in Taylor's favor.
Not to imply that Edwards-Helaire lacks talent or ability, but situation is largely pumping up so much of his value right now. Granted, new information allows us to adjust, and CEH going into a optimal landing spot definitely helps him out. But, is he really a better player than Taylor, or many of the RBs going behind him? I don't know about that.
Long-term, I think Taylor is the better fantasy asset.
Actually think CEH will be the better fantasy asset. I imagine the debate will rage for a few years on the top backs from this class.
Wouldn't be shocked if it's a different back that is ultimately the best fantasy back from this class.
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For fantasy players yes, for NFL talent evaluators though? I'm not sure. It's pretty clear that fantasy scouts have consistently valued Taylor higher than the NFL.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:10 pm I think if you did this poll in March, it would've been lopsided in Taylor's favor.
Not to imply that Edwards-Helaire lacks talent or ability, but situation is largely pumping up so much of his value right now. Granted, new information allows us to adjust, and CEH going into a optimal landing spot definitely helps him out. But, is he really a better player than Taylor, or many of the RBs going behind him? I don't know about that.
Long-term, I think Taylor is the better fantasy asset.
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If you believe in any way KC thought Taylor was better then WOW..... NFL teams select their highest rated player ESPECIALLY if they play the same position.IZigUZag wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 4:17 pmWe really just know that KC thought CEH would be a better fit in their offense than any other RB from this class.Ice wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 4:03 pmPretty Obvious KC thinks CEH is the better back. Fantasy wise hard to say. I thought Swift was the best back but I am taking CEH at 1.1 due to landing spot.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:10 pm I think if you did this poll in March, it would've been lopsided in Taylor's favor.
Not to imply that Edwards-Helaire lacks talent or ability, but situation is largely pumping up so much of his value right now. Granted, new information allows us to adjust, and CEH going into a optimal landing spot definitely helps him out. But, is he really a better player than Taylor, or many of the RBs going behind him? I don't know about that.
Long-term, I think Taylor is the better fantasy asset.
Actually think CEH will be the better fantasy asset. I imagine the debate will rage for a few years on the top backs from this class.
Wouldn't be shocked if it's a different back that is ultimately the best fantasy back from this class.
That said, If it makes you feel somehow better to spin it that way then go for it!
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But, the question is...who is the better fantasy asset.PR0v3 wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 4:26 pmFor fantasy players yes, for NFL talent evaluators though? I'm not sure. It's pretty clear that fantasy scouts have consistently valued Taylor higher than the NFL.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:10 pm I think if you did this poll in March, it would've been lopsided in Taylor's favor.
Not to imply that Edwards-Helaire lacks talent or ability, but situation is largely pumping up so much of his value right now. Granted, new information allows us to adjust, and CEH going into a optimal landing spot definitely helps him out. But, is he really a better player than Taylor, or many of the RBs going behind him? I don't know about that.
Long-term, I think Taylor is the better fantasy asset.
For a solid month, there was a thread about how Taylor was the no doubt about it 1.01. I did not see that thread for Edwards-Helaire.
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Not really, he went right in the range he was being projected Late 1st - Early 2nd and was the 3rd RB off the board with all 3 being taken within 10 picks of each other. By that same logic I guess a lot of owners were over rating Dobbins too, he was the 5th RB taken and nearly made it into the 3rd round.
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There's no doubt about CEH landing in a great situation. But let's not pretend that Taylor didn't land in an equally great situation that matches his running style. As far as draft capital and team situation, CEH and Taylor should be judged on an equal basis. But it's really a moot point, since in reality, they're both great.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:10 pm I think if you did this poll in March, it would've been lopsided in Taylor's favor.
Not to imply that Edwards-Helaire lacks talent or ability, but situation is largely pumping up so much of his value right now. Granted, new information allows us to adjust, and CEH going into a optimal landing spot definitely helps him out. But, is he really a better player than Taylor, or many of the RBs going behind him? I don't know about that.
Long-term, I think Taylor is the better fantasy asset.
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Agreed. I want to diversify between leagues, and get both.Hottoddies wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 7:34 pmThere's no doubt about CEH landing in a great situation. But let's not pretend that Taylor didn't land in an equally great situation that matches his running style. As far as draft capital and team situation, CEH and Taylor should be judged on an equal basis. But it's really a moot point, since in reality, they're both great.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:10 pm I think if you did this poll in March, it would've been lopsided in Taylor's favor.
Not to imply that Edwards-Helaire lacks talent or ability, but situation is largely pumping up so much of his value right now. Granted, new information allows us to adjust, and CEH going into a optimal landing spot definitely helps him out. But, is he really a better player than Taylor, or many of the RBs going behind him? I don't know about that.
Long-term, I think Taylor is the better fantasy asset.
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Is anybody trying to to trade back from 1.01 to 1.02? I have a 1.03 in a heavy QB scoring Superflex and I’m thinking they’ll both be there. Right now I’m hoping to move back one spot.
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