Hakeem Butler....change my mind
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Hakeem Butler....change my mind
I personally feel like he has the highest ceiling in the Wr class, and could be the next Julio if he improves his route running.
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Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
I think he could be a dominant player as well if he improves his routes and things fall right. Lots of ifs but he has the physical tools.
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Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
Matt Waldman:
1. Hakeem Butler, Iowa State (6-5, 227)
Depth of Talent Score: 93.9 = Franchise Starter:
Immediate production and leadership anchor.
This is the highest grade the RSP has ever awarded a receiver since it began using Depth of Talent Scoring. Based on the excitement surrounding D.K. Metcalf and the optics that Butler drops the ball too much, ranking Butler as the top-rated receiver may be a a polarizing pick. The logic behind the decision is based on the results of the RSP’s process.
1. Hakeem Butler, Iowa State (6-5, 227)
Depth of Talent Score: 93.9 = Franchise Starter:
Immediate production and leadership anchor.
This is the highest grade the RSP has ever awarded a receiver since it began using Depth of Talent Scoring. Based on the excitement surrounding D.K. Metcalf and the optics that Butler drops the ball too much, ranking Butler as the top-rated receiver may be a a polarizing pick. The logic behind the decision is based on the results of the RSP’s process.
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Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
Why did it take him 4 years to emerge at Iowa St. ?
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Matt Kelley, is that you?
I think the fact Waldman has given his highest grade ever to Butler is an indication of why he doesn't work for an NFL front office. If Butler turns into Julio, I take it back.
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I can't speak to that, and I know the importance of Breakout age and dominator score.
On that topic, I really think N'Keal Harry who has a shining BA and DS will bust.
On that topic, I really think N'Keal Harry who has a shining BA and DS will bust.
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Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
He needs to ditch those concrete slabs he calls hands if he wants to even be mentioned favorably in the same sentence as Julio
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Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
This. I don’t know much about Waldman or his “process” but him ranking Butler the highest receiver makes me not want to know much about him.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:03 amMatt Kelley, is that you?
I think the fact Waldman has given his highest grade ever to Butler is an indication of why he doesn't work for an NFL front office. If Butler turns into Julio, I take it back.
Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
There's something in the water where this guy was being considered a top WR pick and then he plummets into the 4th round...why did so many teams pass on him? Analytics-driven and old school football teams alike?
Now he goes to AZ where you've got Christian Kirk and Andy Isabella...IF the Cardinals are able to become a high-octane offense...maybe Butler becomes relevant but man, what a fall.
This guy will be an intriguing one to watch because you have the analytics crowd who've said that Butler's late ascension is a big concern...while tape grinders like Waldman are in love.
Now he goes to AZ where you've got Christian Kirk and Andy Isabella...IF the Cardinals are able to become a high-octane offense...maybe Butler becomes relevant but man, what a fall.
This guy will be an intriguing one to watch because you have the analytics crowd who've said that Butler's late ascension is a big concern...while tape grinders like Waldman are in love.
Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
The NFL evaluators are the biggest tape grinders alive and they didn't think he was anything special.Servo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:49 am There's something in the water where this guy was being considered a top WR pick and then he plummets into the 4th round...why did so many teams pass on him? Analytics-driven and old school football teams alike?
Now he goes to AZ where you've got Christian Kirk and Andy Isabella...IF the Cardinals are able to become a high-octane offense...maybe Butler becomes relevant but man, what a fall.
This guy will be an intriguing one to watch because you have the analytics crowd who've said that Butler's late ascension is a big concern...while tape grinders like Waldman are in love.
Maybe he proves everyone wrong, but I have a pretty obvious reason why people like Waldman fell in love with the guy. Optics, Confirmation and vividness bias. Butler does things that most receivers could only dream of and these optics color their interpretation of his film. This leads them to maximize his talents and minimize his flaws. This works heavily in the favor of a physical specimen like Hakeem Butler.. but is it predictive of NFL success? Probably not, which is why he fell to the 4th round.
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Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
Really cooled on this guy after watching every snap of film I could find.
Concentration drops galore, over celebrates every catch, low effort blocking.
He's got talent, but it's not superstar talent. This draft class really doesn't have any no-brainers 1.01's.
Concentration drops galore, over celebrates every catch, low effort blocking.
He's got talent, but it's not superstar talent. This draft class really doesn't have any no-brainers 1.01's.
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Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
Julio was a top 5 pick and came out as a 21 year old Junior, Hakeem Butler is playing his first year at 23 years old. Sort of like the Amari Cooper vs Kevin White debate on age for me. Breakout age is young for Julio and old for Butler.
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Re: Hakeem Butler....change my mind
Hakeem Butler is no Julio Jones and will never even come close. There were times he did look dominate and unstoppable but for the most part he looked slow, uncoordinated, and totally lost. It's very concerning that it took him until his 4th year at Iowa State to really breakout. There are just too many better receivers in the desert for Butler to make an impact any time soon. I'd give him as much of a chance as Kevin White.
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