Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
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Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
If you could choose one of them to have on your roster which would it be?
Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
Even Watkins truthers have to pick Diggs here.
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Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
I would not trade Diggs for 2 of Watkins.
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Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
Diggs by a lot.
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Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
I'd really like to hear the reasoning of the two people who voted for Watkins.
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Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
I thought the Tyreek Hill issue may have rejuvenated Sammy's value some. Although, that does not appear to be the case. It has been fun tracking the opinion of these two guys in relation to each other.
This is the 5th poll in the series, and may be the last one ... unless Sammy explodes in production this year! That could be fun!
The earlier polls resulted in the following:
Date_________Sammy_________Diggs
Nov 2015_______17 (74%)__________6
Sep 2016_______27 (73%)__________10
Jun 2017_______19 (73%)__________7
Oct 2017_______4 (17%)___________20
To give a little context to each prior poll:
Nov 2015: Sammy was wrapping up his 2nd season in the NFL. He posted a stat line of 60-1047-9 for Buffalo in 13 games.
Diggs was a rookie in Minn. and was on his way to 52-720-4.
Sep 2016: Sammy is starting his 3rd year in Buffalo and Diggs is going into his sophomore campaign.
June 2017: Sammy played a total of 8 games in 2016.
Diggs finished his 2nd season with 84-903-4 in 13 games.
Oct 2017: Sammy has been traded to the Rams. He started the first 4 games of the year with: 14-211-2 on 16 targets.
Diggs is still in Minn and starting his 3 year with 22-391-4 on 32 targets.
This is the 5th poll in the series, and may be the last one ... unless Sammy explodes in production this year! That could be fun!
The earlier polls resulted in the following:
Date_________Sammy_________Diggs
Nov 2015_______17 (74%)__________6
Sep 2016_______27 (73%)__________10
Jun 2017_______19 (73%)__________7
Oct 2017_______4 (17%)___________20
To give a little context to each prior poll:
Nov 2015: Sammy was wrapping up his 2nd season in the NFL. He posted a stat line of 60-1047-9 for Buffalo in 13 games.
Diggs was a rookie in Minn. and was on his way to 52-720-4.
Sep 2016: Sammy is starting his 3rd year in Buffalo and Diggs is going into his sophomore campaign.
June 2017: Sammy played a total of 8 games in 2016.
Diggs finished his 2nd season with 84-903-4 in 13 games.
Oct 2017: Sammy has been traded to the Rams. He started the first 4 games of the year with: 14-211-2 on 16 targets.
Diggs is still in Minn and starting his 3 year with 22-391-4 on 32 targets.
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Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
Reading the comments of the earlier polls gives a little more insight:
Oct 2017 Poll:
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=149085&p=1342371&h ... s#p1342371
June 2017 Poll:
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=143312&hilit=sammy ... efon+diggs
Sept 2016 Poll:
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=129565&hilit=sammy ... efon+diggs
Nov 2015 Poll:
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=109602&hilit=sammy ... efon+diggs
Oct 2017 Poll:
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=149085&p=1342371&h ... s#p1342371
June 2017 Poll:
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=143312&hilit=sammy ... efon+diggs
Sept 2016 Poll:
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=129565&hilit=sammy ... efon+diggs
Nov 2015 Poll:
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=109602&hilit=sammy ... efon+diggs
Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
Very cool post here. Thanks for doing the research and providing the links! Interesting.rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 8:07 am I thought the Tyreek Hill issue may have rejuvenated Sammy's value some. Although, that does not appear to be the case. It has been fun tracking the opinion of these two guys in relation to each other.
This is the 5th poll in the series, and may be the last one ... unless Sammy explodes in production this year! That could be fun!
The earlier polls resulted in the following:
Date_________Sammy_________Diggs
Nov 2015_______17 (74%)__________6
Sep 2016_______27 (73%)__________10
Jun 2017_______19 (73%)__________7
Oct 2017_______4 (17%)___________20
To give a little context to each prior poll:
Nov 2015: Sammy was wrapping up his 2nd season in the NFL. He posted a stat line of 60-1047-9 for Buffalo in 13 games.
Diggs was a rookie in Minn. and was on his way to 52-720-4.
Sep 2016: Sammy is starting his 3rd year in Buffalo and Diggs is going into his sophomore campaign.
June 2017: Sammy played a total of 8 games in 2016.
Diggs finished his 2nd season with 84-903-4 in 13 games.
Oct 2017: Sammy has been traded to the Rams. He started the first 4 games of the year with: 14-211-2 on 16 targets.
Diggs is still in Minn and starting his 3 year with 22-391-4 on 32 targets.
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Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
Here's an OP comment from the 2015 poll:
I posted this so that we have a reference point in time to look back on, as this is a clear inflection point for both of these players.
What I find absolutely fascinating about this is that we are talking about Sammy Watkins who 16 months ago was the 1.01 selection in the draft, and we are talking about Stefon Diggs who was a free agent a month into the season. While the posts on this thread are all pro-Watkins, the poll is currently 8-4 ... meaning that it is a lot closer than draft pedigree would typically lead us to believe.
To be fair to Diggs: in 2012 he was the #6 overall high school recruit in the nation at any position and #2 at wide receiver. He out performed from the very start in division 1. His fall from grace for the NFL was most likely due to: playing at Maryland, and having 2 injuries that interrupted 2 of his seasons.
^ Well done, Sir! It's like you had a crystal ball or something...
I posted this so that we have a reference point in time to look back on, as this is a clear inflection point for both of these players.
What I find absolutely fascinating about this is that we are talking about Sammy Watkins who 16 months ago was the 1.01 selection in the draft, and we are talking about Stefon Diggs who was a free agent a month into the season. While the posts on this thread are all pro-Watkins, the poll is currently 8-4 ... meaning that it is a lot closer than draft pedigree would typically lead us to believe.
To be fair to Diggs: in 2012 he was the #6 overall high school recruit in the nation at any position and #2 at wide receiver. He out performed from the very start in division 1. His fall from grace for the NFL was most likely due to: playing at Maryland, and having 2 injuries that interrupted 2 of his seasons.
^ Well done, Sir! It's like you had a crystal ball or something...
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QB: Jordan Love, Deshaun Watson
RB: Travis Etienne, Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Kendre Miller, Jaleel McLaughlin, Sean Tucker, Deuce Vaughn
WR: A.J. Brown, Garrett Wilson, Tee Higgins, Calvin Ridley, Michael Wilson, Kendrick Bourne, Tutu Atwell, Allen Lazard, Isaiah Hodgins, Justin Shorter
TE: T.J. Hockenson, Cole Kmet, Kylen Granson
K: Didn't make the playoffs in 2023 , and don't usually hold one in the offseason
Team DST: Cowboys, Lions
Picks:
2024: All my picks except 3rd rounder
Disclaimer: My one and only Championship in this league was way back in 2011. Therefore, take my replies with the appropriate grain of salt.
QB: Jordan Love, Deshaun Watson
RB: Travis Etienne, Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Kendre Miller, Jaleel McLaughlin, Sean Tucker, Deuce Vaughn
WR: A.J. Brown, Garrett Wilson, Tee Higgins, Calvin Ridley, Michael Wilson, Kendrick Bourne, Tutu Atwell, Allen Lazard, Isaiah Hodgins, Justin Shorter
TE: T.J. Hockenson, Cole Kmet, Kylen Granson
K: Didn't make the playoffs in 2023 , and don't usually hold one in the offseason
Team DST: Cowboys, Lions
Picks:
2024: All my picks except 3rd rounder
Disclaimer: My one and only Championship in this league was way back in 2011. Therefore, take my replies with the appropriate grain of salt.
Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
Watkins' value has certainly increased (ADP went from 76 to 45), but there's still a significant gap to Diggs...it's just not as big as it was before the Hill news broke. A binary Diggs / Watkins poll won't show that.rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 8:07 am I thought the Tyreek Hill issue may have rejuvenated Sammy's value some. Although, that does not appear to be the case. It has been fun tracking the opinion of these two guys in relation to each other.
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Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
Exactly. I’m a Watkins truther, but I easily take Diggshoos89 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 8:37 amWatkins' value has certainly increased (ADP went from 76 to 45), but there's still a significant gap to Diggs...it's just not as big as it was before the Hill news broke. A binary Diggs / Watkins poll won't show that.rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 8:07 am I thought the Tyreek Hill issue may have rejuvenated Sammy's value some. Although, that does not appear to be the case. It has been fun tracking the opinion of these two guys in relation to each other.
Even in redraft, I’ll pick Diggs over Sammy.
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Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
Yes, Sammy's value has gone up in general. I was trying to say that the preference for Sammy/Diggs hasn't moved much, but my earlier statement can be read many different ways.hoos89 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 8:37 amWatkins' value has certainly increased (ADP went from 76 to 45), but there's still a significant gap to Diggs...it's just not as big as it was before the Hill news broke. A binary Diggs / Watkins poll won't show that.rubber_duck wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 8:07 am I thought the Tyreek Hill issue may have rejuvenated Sammy's value some. Although, that does not appear to be the case. It has been fun tracking the opinion of these two guys in relation to each other.
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Re: Sammy Watkins or Stephon Diggs
Awesome topic, rubber_duck!
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