Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby trc » Thu May 02, 2019 5:50 am

So now is everybody on board with Sanders > Montgomery? :-)

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby MEuRaH » Thu May 02, 2019 5:52 am

trc wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 5:50 amSo now is everybody on board with Sanders > Montgomery? :-)
Not Bears fans, but everyone else is.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Mr. Wizard » Thu May 02, 2019 5:54 am

dlf_mikeh wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 5:52 am
trc wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 5:50 amSo now is everybody on board with Sanders > Montgomery? :-)
Not Bears fans, but everyone else is.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Jason3123 » Thu May 02, 2019 8:16 am

Traded up to 1.3 yesterday to get Sanders. Prefer him to Montgomery because of the athletic testing, plus Sanders was an elite recruit. I have doubts on Montgomery's profile but if he's going to get 250+ touches then who cares. He does seem like he'll be able to handle a high workload. I'm fine with betting more on Sanders and missing out on Montgomery though. I'd hate myself more if I did it the other way and Sanders ended up outperforming Montgomery.

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu May 02, 2019 8:36 am

I just feel like Sanders is in a really crowded backfield, RBBC. Montgomery will work WITH Cohen, but will still be the starting back. In PPR leagues Cohen will get his, non PPR, not as much.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Jason3123 » Thu May 02, 2019 8:57 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 8:36 am I just feel like Sanders is in a really crowded backfield, RBBC. Montgomery will work WITH Cohen, but will still be the starting back. In PPR leagues Cohen will get his, non PPR, not as much.
Not to compare Sanders to Chubb just yet, but we also thought Chubb was in a really crowded room. It's crowded with a bunch of average or below average players. Not one of them has the profile of Sanders, not even Howard. I don't anticipate Sanders walking in as day 1, and maybe Howard keeps him at bay for a little while but it most likely won't take long.

And while we think Montgomery's situation is great people also thought the same thing about Freeman, Henry, Penny, and they all get put at bay. It's not unlikely Davis/Cohen do that to Montgomery, and it's possible Howard does the same to Sanders. Except Howard can't catch, so Sanders probably gets some role regardless.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby BigBawseRoss » Thu May 02, 2019 9:32 am

i think i like sanders better as a talent but much prefer montgomery situation and would flip a coin or base my choice off team standing (win now monty, playing for 2020 or beyond Sanders)
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Ice » Thu May 02, 2019 9:43 am

I actually like Sanders better in talent and situation.

Philly drafted him hoping for a Zeke / Barkley type back.

Montgomery’s situation isn’t bad but Cohen is going to get the lions share of receptions and Trubisky has no issues running the ball. He is a better version of Howard and also has a back in Davis that the Bears obviously liked better.

It will be interesting to watch but RB talent wins out and Philly doesn’t really have anyone at RB with Sanders talent.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Goddard » Thu May 02, 2019 9:51 am

Ice wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:43 am I actually like Sanders better in talent and situation.

Philly drafted him hoping for a Zeke / Barkley type back.

Montgomery’s situation isn’t bad but Cohen is going to get the lions share of receptions and Trubisky has no issues running the ball. He is a better version of Howard and also has a back in Davis that the Bears obviously liked better.

It will be interesting to watch but RB talent wins out and Philly doesn’t really have anyone at RB with Sanders talent.
Agree. I think it's fair to argue that Chicago has better and more long-term competition for Montgomery than Philly does for Sanders. I like Sanders' talent and situation better than Montgomery's.

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu May 02, 2019 10:53 am

Jason3123 wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 8:57 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 8:36 am I just feel like Sanders is in a really crowded backfield, RBBC. Montgomery will work WITH Cohen, but will still be the starting back. In PPR leagues Cohen will get his, non PPR, not as much.
Not to compare Sanders to Chubb just yet, but we also thought Chubb was in a really crowded room. It's crowded with a bunch of average or below average players. Not one of them has the profile of Sanders, not even Howard. I don't anticipate Sanders walking in as day 1, and maybe Howard keeps him at bay for a little while but it most likely won't take long.

And while we think Howard's situation is great people also thought the same thing about Freeman, Henry, Penny, and they all get put at bay. It's not unlikely Davis/Cohen do that to Montgomery, and it's possible Howard does the same to Sanders. Except Howard can't catch, so Sanders probably gets some role regardless.
True. Good points. I do think Howard in the right OFF and used properly is a top ten RB. I just think it's a tricky RBBC. I feel like Montgomery will get the early running downs, eating into Cohen's runs, but that Cohen will get his receptions, maybe even a few more. Both are interesting situations.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Phaded » Thu May 02, 2019 2:28 pm

I feel like Sanders is a trap.
I don't know why - just a gut feeling. I would not be comfortable drafting him with an early 1st where he is going.

Bold take, as usual by the OP - but I don't think it is incredibly far fetched.

The two are very different running backs, stylistically - so there is really no comparison but it will be interesting to see who ends up being the better fantasy back (which is what really matters).

For the record - I would not be comfortable drafting Montgomery with an early 1st either.
Ice wrote:Philly drafted him hoping for a Zeke / Barkley type back.
Isn't that always the hope when teams draft a back with a three-down profile though?
Rarely does it work out though..

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Ice » Thu May 02, 2019 3:19 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 10:53 am
Jason3123 wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 8:57 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 8:36 am I just feel like Sanders is in a really crowded backfield, RBBC. Montgomery will work WITH Cohen, but will still be the starting back. In PPR leagues Cohen will get his, non PPR, not as much.
Not to compare Sanders to Chubb just yet, but we also thought Chubb was in a really crowded room. It's crowded with a bunch of average or below average players. Not one of them has the profile of Sanders, not even Howard. I don't anticipate Sanders walking in as day 1, and maybe Howard keeps him at bay for a little while but it most likely won't take long.

And while we think Howard's situation is great people also thought the same thing about Freeman, Henry, Penny, and they all get put at bay. It's not unlikely Davis/Cohen do that to Montgomery, and it's possible Howard does the same to Sanders. Except Howard can't catch, so Sanders probably gets some role regardless.
True. Good points. I do think Howard in the right OFF and used properly is a top ten RB. I just think it's a tricky RBBC. I feel like Montgomery will get the early running downs, eating into Cohen's runs, but that Cohen will get his receptions, maybe even a few more. Both are interesting situations.
Top 10 at What?

Maybe it's in dropping YPC annually is all I can think of.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby ninotoreS » Thu May 02, 2019 3:32 pm

Sanders > Montgomery because Cohen exists and will be in Chicago for a long time, presumably. And Davis isn't bad, either.

There's several things about Mont I like, particularly on the tape, but he needs to prove he's athletic enough for the NFL. It's worrisome that his disappointing workout scores are coupled with a very modest -- by collegiate standards -- 4.7 ypc average in college and noticeable lack of long runs.
Ice wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 3:19 pm Top 10 at What?

Maybe it's in dropping YPC annually is all I can think of.
You can't think of much, then; Howard has been top 10 in standard scoring two of his three career seasons.


Regardless, Howard will probably only affect Sanders' touch-share for one season.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby jordanzs » Thu May 02, 2019 3:45 pm

Let's hurry up and come to a conclusion. I got some drafts coming up with the 1.3 pick and I need to know which way to go. I don't want to make the wrong choice & be ostracized by the community. But I guess I could always ask the "Heeeelp I'm on the clock at 1.3, do I choose Sanders or Montgomery" question in the Dynasty Team Advice forum.....

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu May 02, 2019 3:49 pm

ninotoreS wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 3:32 pm Sanders > Montgomery because Cohen exists and will be in Chicago for a long time, presumably. And Davis isn't bad, either.

There's several things about Mont I like, particularly on the tape, but he needs to prove he's athletic enough for the NFL. It's worrisome that his disappointing workout scores are coupled with a very modest -- by collegiate standards -- 4.7 ypc average in college and noticeable lack of long runs.
Ice wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 3:19 pm Top 10 at What?

Maybe it's in dropping YPC annually is all I can think of.
You can't think of much, then; Howard has been top 10 in standard scoring two of his three career seasons.


Regardless, Howard will probably only affect Sanders' touch-share for one season.
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QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC RB—BIJAN, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, HULL, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Allen, TILLMAN, Boyd, Woods, HUTCHINSON, DOUGLAS TE—Kelce, Kmet, Schultz, Parham PK—Butker DEF—PIT

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