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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Cameron Giles » Thu May 02, 2019 3:51 pm

Phaded wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 2:28 pm I feel like Sanders is a trap.
I don't know why - just a gut feeling. I would not be comfortable drafting him with an early 1st where he is going.

Bold take, as usual by the OP - but I don't think it is incredibly far fetched.

The two are very different running backs, stylistically - so there is really no comparison but it will be interesting to see who ends up being the better fantasy back (which is what really matters).

For the record - I would not be comfortable drafting Montgomery with an early 1st either.
Ice wrote:Philly drafted him hoping for a Zeke / Barkley type back.
Isn't that always the hope when teams draft a back with a three-down profile though?
Rarely does it work out though..
Overall, this is a bad RB class. There will be a few hits, but I agree with you that while Sanders isn't bad, him going so high feels odd. A rare situation where the Top RB's (Jacobs, Sanders and Montgomery) aren't overly talented or heralded.

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Ice » Thu May 02, 2019 4:14 pm

ninotoreS wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 3:32 pm Sanders > Montgomery because Cohen exists and will be in Chicago for a long time, presumably. And Davis isn't bad, either.

There's several things about Mont I like, particularly on the tape, but he needs to prove he's athletic enough for the NFL. It's worrisome that his disappointing workout scores are coupled with a very modest -- by collegiate standards -- 4.7 ypc average in college and noticeable lack of long runs.
Ice wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 3:19 pm Top 10 at What?

Maybe it's in dropping YPC annually is all I can think of.
You can't think of much, then; Howard has been top 10 in standard scoring two of his three career seasons.


Regardless, Howard will probably only affect Sanders' touch-share for one season.

Howard has deteriorated for 3 strait seasons in all aspects. After 778 carries in this league we have a pretty good idea of what to expect.

If you really think he will finish top 10 in scoring this year I have some great ocean front property for sale in AZ.

He was a cheap get most likely as insurance in case the Eagles were not able to improve their RB position in the draft.

Not saying he is horrible but he is an Alfred Morris type that is good for a back up role these days.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Ryantacular » Fri May 03, 2019 11:36 am

My favorite argument Ive read so far is how Sanders is in a crowded backfield. Like.. lol. He doesnt have a single other RB to compete with in my eyes. You call those JAGs RBs?

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby brooklynkid » Fri May 03, 2019 11:49 am

Ryantacular wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 11:36 am My favorite argument Ive read so far is how Sanders is in a crowded backfield. Like.. lol. He doesnt have a single other RB to compete with in my eyes. You call those JAGs RBs?
This! remember last year with Chubb, I think a lot of people made the mistake of looking at Chubb's situation i also think his knee was issue too, but i don't think it would be smart to pass on Sanders just because of his situation
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby JTLoh » Fri May 03, 2019 12:04 pm

abloom wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:28 am On a side note, if you were this indifferent towards the two, I would have tried to see if you could trade down from 1.3 to 1.4 and pick up something small.
He is to crafty for that. He would call my bluff no matter what. So I knew I had to actually make the pick first. I got a little something later on.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby wickerkat1212 » Fri May 03, 2019 12:35 pm

Ryantacular wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 11:36 am My favorite argument Ive read so far is how Sanders is in a crowded backfield. Like.. lol. He doesnt have a single other RB to compete with in my eyes. You call those JAGs RBs?
I think Howard is competition, yes. I expect Howard will have the starting job. So I do think Sanders has to take it from him. Don't get me wrong, I like Sanders A LOT, top three RB this year, but I don't think it's as easy a path as others have. Montgomery will be the starter, but Cohen will get his, PPR beast. Jacobs has no competition, right?
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby MEuRaH » Fri May 03, 2019 1:13 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 12:35 pm
Ryantacular wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 11:36 am My favorite argument Ive read so far is how Sanders is in a crowded backfield. Like.. lol. He doesnt have a single other RB to compete with in my eyes. You call those JAGs RBs?
I think Howard is competition, yes. I expect Howard will have the starting job. So I do think Sanders has to take it from him. Don't get me wrong, I like Sanders A LOT, top three RB this year, but I don't think it's as easy a path as others have. Montgomery will be the starter, but Cohen will get his, PPR beast. Jacobs has no competition, right?
I agree, for 1 season. Maybe half a season.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby wickerkat1212 » Fri May 03, 2019 2:43 pm

dlf_mikeh wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 1:13 pm
wickerkat1212 wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 12:35 pm
Ryantacular wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 11:36 am My favorite argument Ive read so far is how Sanders is in a crowded backfield. Like.. lol. He doesnt have a single other RB to compete with in my eyes. You call those JAGs RBs?
I think Howard is competition, yes. I expect Howard will have the starting job. So I do think Sanders has to take it from him. Don't get me wrong, I like Sanders A LOT, top three RB this year, but I don't think it's as easy a path as others have. Montgomery will be the starter, but Cohen will get his, PPR beast. Jacobs has no competition, right?
I agree, for 1 season. Maybe half a season.
I think eventually Sanders will take it from him, for sure. At least a year. Maybe more.

Year one—Howard dominant.
Year two—60/40 split.
Year three—Sanders dominant.

But I think Montgomery will be the RB1 in Chicago from the start, with Cohen doing great in passing/3rd and PPR leagues.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Mr. Wizard » Fri May 03, 2019 3:57 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 2:43 pm I think eventually Sanders will take it from him, for sure. At least a year. Maybe more.

Year one—Howard dominant.
Year two—60/40 split.
Year three—Sanders dominant.
I think this is insanely optimistic on the usage of a consistently declining two-down runningback they traded a 6th for with one year left on his deal, vs a prospective three-down back they just took in the second round. Howard is unlikely to even HAVE a year two in Philadelphia.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby MEuRaH » Fri May 03, 2019 4:24 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 2:43 pm
dlf_mikeh wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 1:13 pmI agree, for 1 season. Maybe half a season.
I think eventually Sanders will take it from him, for sure. At least a year. Maybe more.

Year one—Howard dominant.
Year two—60/40 split.
Year three—Sanders dominant.
Howards contract is up this year. Your theory would mean he would agree to re-sign with Philly and be OK with being 50-50 or worse in the long run, thus voluntarily reducing his value. I don't think Jordan Howard or nearly every NFL player would do that.

Philadelphia has a short-but-recent history of trading for guys who are on the last year of their deal and letting them walk and getting compensation in the form of compensatory picks. I think that's what will happen here.

It should also be noted that Philly runs a zone blocking scheme and Howard is more power-oriented. He doesn't fit the scheme as well as Sanders does, who's more of a zone runner.

The value of Howard lies in his ability to mentor Jacobs and then go elsewhere so Philly can get that compensatory pick. I'm not questioning skill, but I do question scheme fit. Howard would do well Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, etc. Any power offense, really.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Ice » Fri May 03, 2019 5:44 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 2:43 pm
dlf_mikeh wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 1:13 pm
wickerkat1212 wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 12:35 pm I think Howard is competition, yes. I expect Howard will have the starting job. So I do think Sanders has to take it from him. Don't get me wrong, I like Sanders A LOT, top three RB this year, but I don't think it's as easy a path as others have. Montgomery will be the starter, but Cohen will get his, PPR beast. Jacobs has no competition, right?
I agree, for 1 season. Maybe half a season.
I think eventually Sanders will take it from him, for sure. At least a year. Maybe more.

Year one—Howard dominant.
Year two—60/40 split.
Year three—Sanders dominant.

But I think Montgomery will be the RB1 in Chicago from the start, with Cohen doing great in passing/3rd and PPR leagues.
I would be shocked if it’s a 60/40 split. I would be really shocked if Howard is even an Eagle next year.

The only way Howard is dominate if the Eagles think he is a better player.

This will be camp battle just like Montgomery will have with Davis.

Let the battle begin.

My bet is both Sanders and Montgomery are week 1 starters.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Fri May 03, 2019 6:08 pm

They aren’t going to hand Sanders the job, but as long as he can pass block sufficiently, then he’ll be the week 1 starter.

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby wickerkat1212 » Fri May 03, 2019 6:59 pm

I think it takes a year or so for Sanders to acclimate. Howard had two REALLY good years, then last year wasn't used right. I just don't see him disappearing. I could be TOTALLY wrong.
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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby mgscott » Fri May 03, 2019 8:59 pm

I think it's just as likely that Montgomery has to beat out M Davis and get acclimated to the NFL and his team as Sanders having these obstacles. They both have solid veterans just acquired by their teams, so the may not start out right away as a lead back. It's basically written in stone that Cohen will be used frequently, so that will definitely limit Montgomery's value. Sanders at least has the chance of being the 3 down back early and running with it.

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Re: Myles Sanders vs David Montgomery

Postby ascherb » Fri May 03, 2019 9:27 pm

I love Sanders.

The Eagles use of RBBC was absolutely due to necessity and while I am not saying I expect Sanders to carry the ball 300 times, I fully expect him to be the lead back.

At worst, he and Howard split time, but it’s definitely going to be a time share in a Chicago.

Sanders is also currently the only Eagles RB who is currently signed past 2019.
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