Rojo vs Penny

[spotxc]

Whos your pick and why?
PPR

[BeeziBad]

Whos your pick and why?
PPR

Penny all day. bigger back, more talented back. ROJO won't be able to carry a full time 3 down back role. he aint big enough. landing spots are arguable. crowded mess in TB but easier division to run in. Seattle O-Line has a history of being bad but it's currently on the rise. returning IR guys and a full season with the new LT brown.

[Chwf3rd]

RoJo for me.

Draft Capital: close enough to where I wont give either a real advantage here

Team: I like both situations but give me the Bucs where Koetter likes feeding a single RB and the offensive line isn't as much as a catastrophe as Seattle.

Players:

RoJo, USC, 5'10/205, 76% vert, 20 years old: speed/quickness jumps off screen, explodes through hole, surprising balance, good vision, avoids first tackler via laterial cut, quick accelerator, tough runner. 1st Round Grade.

Rashaad Penny, San Diego St, 5'10/220, 4.46 40, 25% vert, 64% broad, 22 years old: awesome vision, runs too high, smoothly bounces forward off cut/subtle elusiveness, bad pass pro, falls forward, runs through arm tackles, not particularly powerful. Worry about how much the San Diego St system elevated him as they perpetually put out historically productive RBs. Round 3 grade.

[FantasyFreak]

RoJo for me.

Draft Capital: close enough to where I wont give either a real advantage here

Team: I like both situations but give me the Bucs where Koetter likes feeding a single RB and the offensive line isn't as much as a catastrophe as Seattle.

Players:

RoJo, USC, 5'10/205, 76% vert, 20 years old: speed/quickness jumps off screen, explodes through hole, surprising balance, good vision, avoids first tackler via laterial cut, quick accelerator, tough runner. 1st Round Grade.

Rashaad Penny, San Diego St, 5'10/220, 4.46 40, 25% vert, 64% broad, 22 years old: awesome vision, runs too high, smoothly bounces forward off cut/subtle elusiveness, bad pass pro, falls forward, runs through arm tackles, not particularly powerful. Worry about how much the San Diego St system elevated him as they perpetually put out historically productive RBs. Round 3 grade.

Who's grade? Also, Rojo ran a slower 40 (and had 7.14s 3 cone, 4.26 short shuttle, 9-6 broad jump.) All poor, especially at his size.

[FantasyFreak]

Whos your pick and why?
PPR

Penny all day. bigger back, more talented back. ROJO won't be able to carry a full time 3 down back role. he aint big enough. landing spots are arguable. crowded mess in TB but easier division to run in. Seattle O-Line has a history of being bad but it's currently on the rise. returning IR guys and a full season with the new LT brown.

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[Chwf3rd]

RoJo for me.

Draft Capital: close enough to where I wont give either a real advantage here

Team: I like both situations but give me the Bucs where Koetter likes feeding a single RB and the offensive line isn't as much as a catastrophe as Seattle.

Players:

RoJo, USC, 5'10/205, 76% vert, 20 years old: speed/quickness jumps off screen, explodes through hole, surprising balance, good vision, avoids first tackler via laterial cut, quick accelerator, tough runner. 1st Round Grade.

Rashaad Penny, San Diego St, 5'10/220, 4.46 40, 25% vert, 64% broad, 22 years old: awesome vision, runs too high, smoothly bounces forward off cut/subtle elusiveness, bad pass pro, falls forward, runs through arm tackles, not particularly powerful. Worry about how much the San Diego St system elevated him as they perpetually put out historically productive RBs. Round 3 grade.

Who's grade? Also, Rojo ran a slower 40 (and had 7.14s 3 cone, 4.26 short shuttle, 9-6 broad jump.) All poor, especially at his size.

Those were my own pre-draft grades and scouting reports. I'm hesitant to take RoJo's pro day numbers at face value given the injury from the combine.

[Phaded]

RoJo for me too - but I also concede this is simply a matter of opinion.
I just liked RoJo better in the predraft process and an 11 pick difference is kind of a moot point when it comes to draft capital.

I also know I will not get either - so I don't really care, unfortunately.

[Titans95]

RoJo for me.

Draft Capital: close enough to where I wont give either a real advantage here

Team: I like both situations but give me the Bucs where Koetter likes feeding a single RB and the offensive line isn't as much as a catastrophe as Seattle.

Players:

RoJo, USC, 5'10/205, 76% vert, 20 years old: speed/quickness jumps off screen, explodes through hole, surprising balance, good vision, avoids first tackler via laterial cut, quick accelerator, tough runner. 1st Round Grade.

Rashaad Penny, San Diego St, 5'10/220, 4.46 40, 25% vert, 64% broad, 22 years old: awesome vision, runs too high, smoothly bounces forward off cut/subtle elusiveness, bad pass pro, falls forward, runs through arm tackles, not particularly powerful. Worry about how much the San Diego St system elevated him as they perpetually put out historically productive RBs. Round 3 grade.

Who's grade? Also, Rojo ran a slower 40 (and had 7.14s 3 cone, 4.26 short shuttle, 9-6 broad jump.) All poor, especially at his size.

Those were my own pre-draft grades and scouting reports. I'm hesitant to take RoJo's pro day numbers at face value given the injury from the combine.

I don't think many people had Penny as a 1st rd grade but I have't heard of anyone have rojo as a 1st round grade.....Also Rojo is 6' tall not 5'10.

[Titans95]

I think I've made my opinion on Penny pretty clear in the Guice vs Penny thread lol and Rojo is much much much lower than both of them.

[Chwf3rd]

Who's grade? Also, Rojo ran a slower 40 (and had 7.14s 3 cone, 4.26 short shuttle, 9-6 broad jump.) All poor, especially at his size.

Those were my own pre-draft grades and scouting reports. I'm hesitant to take RoJo's pro day numbers at face value given the injury from the combine.

I don't think many people had Penny as a 1st rd grade but I have't heard of anyone have rojo as a 1st round grade.....Also Rojo is 6' tall not 5'10.

We're both wrong RoJo measured in as 5'11 at the combine: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/ronald-jones

Most of the draft experts had RoJo very high in their rankings:

Daniel Jeremiah: RB4, #29 overall
Dane Brugler: RB3, #22 overall
Matt Miller: RB4, #43 overall
Lance Zierlein: RB3, #25 overall
Eric Galko: RB2, #8 overall
Jonah Tuls: RB2, #21 overall

[FantasyFreak]

Those were my own pre-draft grades and scouting reports. I'm hesitant to take RoJo's pro day numbers at face value given the injury from the combine.

I don't think many people had Penny as a 1st rd grade but I have't heard of anyone have rojo as a 1st round grade.....Also Rojo is 6' tall not 5'10.

We're both wrong RoJo measured in as 5'11 at the combine: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/ronald-jones

Most of the draft experts had RoJo very high in their rankings:

Daniel Jeremiah: RB4, #29 overall
Dane Brugler: RB3, #22 overall
Matt Miller: RB4, #43 overall
Lance Zierlein: RB3, #25 overall
Eric Galko: RB2, #8 overall
Jonah Tuls: RB2, #21 overall

Pretty loose term. Especially Matt Miller. Does he have any football background? Professionally, I mean?

[lukkynumber13]

I don't think many people had Penny as a 1st rd grade but I have't heard of anyone have rojo as a 1st round grade.....Also Rojo is 6' tall not 5'10.

We're both wrong RoJo measured in as 5'11 at the combine: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/ronald-jones

Most of the draft experts had RoJo very high in their rankings:

Daniel Jeremiah: RB4, #29 overall
Dane Brugler: RB3, #22 overall
Matt Miller: RB4, #43 overall
Lance Zierlein: RB3, #25 overall
Eric Galko: RB2, #8 overall
Jonah Tuls: RB2, #21 overall

Pretty loose term. Especially Matt Miller. Does he have any football background? Professionally, I mean?

It's not really a loose term. A draft expert is someone who studies the NFL draft, and/or gets intel from sources inside organizations. It doesn't mean a draft expert is some magical wizard with a crystal ball who can predict the future, just that the person is highly plugged in to what's going on, and knows the trends from past drafts, etc.

[FantasyFreak]

We're both wrong RoJo measured in as 5'11 at the combine: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/ronald-jones

Most of the draft experts had RoJo very high in their rankings:

Daniel Jeremiah: RB4, #29 overall
Dane Brugler: RB3, #22 overall
Matt Miller: RB4, #43 overall
Lance Zierlein: RB3, #25 overall
Eric Galko: RB2, #8 overall
Jonah Tuls: RB2, #21 overall

Pretty loose term. Especially Matt Miller. Does he have any football background? Professionally, I mean?

It's not really a loose term. A draft expert is someone who studies the NFL draft, and/or gets intel from sources inside organizations. It doesn't mean a draft expert is some magical wizard with a crystal ball who can predict the future, just that the person is highly plugged in to what's going on, and knows the trends from past drafts, etc.

Yeah, the problem is they are plugged into as much misinformation as information. Teams don't show their cards. They are magicians, showing an ace of spades, waving their hand in front of it and all of a sudden it's a two of hearts.

[Chwf3rd]

I don't think many people had Penny as a 1st rd grade but I have't heard of anyone have rojo as a 1st round grade.....Also Rojo is 6' tall not 5'10.

We're both wrong RoJo measured in as 5'11 at the combine: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/ronald-jones

Most of the draft experts had RoJo very high in their rankings:

Daniel Jeremiah: RB4, #29 overall
Dane Brugler: RB3, #22 overall
Matt Miller: RB4, #43 overall
Lance Zierlein: RB3, #25 overall
Eric Galko: RB2, #8 overall
Jonah Tuls: RB2, #21 overall

Pretty loose term. Especially Matt Miller. Does he have any football background? Professionally, I mean?

That was in response to someone saying that nobody had RoJo with a 1st round grade, not an attempt to say that RoJo is good because these people said he is.

[FantasyFreak]

We're both wrong RoJo measured in as 5'11 at the combine: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/ronald-jones

Most of the draft experts had RoJo very high in their rankings:

Daniel Jeremiah: RB4, #29 overall
Dane Brugler: RB3, #22 overall
Matt Miller: RB4, #43 overall
Lance Zierlein: RB3, #25 overall
Eric Galko: RB2, #8 overall
Jonah Tuls: RB2, #21 overall

Pretty loose term. Especially Matt Miller. Does he have any football background? Professionally, I mean?

That was in response to someone saying that nobody had RoJo with a 1st round grade, not an attempt to say that RoJo is good because these people said he is.

I understood that, sorry. I just have this quirk about mainstream media because I think they are there to feed the masses as much misinoformation as information. Whenever I hear the term "the age of information", I counter with: It's also "the age of misinformation". It's a double edged sword.