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TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Weber27 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:44 am

Evan Engram - OJ Howard - David Njoku

Obviously Even Engram is having a huge year for a rookie TE but both Howard and Njoku have shown a lot of promise.

Do all of them in up in the top 5 at the position at some point? Njoku is on the browns which may hurt his value, but is the youngest of the 3 by 2 years. Accounting for age, situation, and talent, what do you except from these TE's going forward??
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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby GoodellsPaycheck » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:42 am

Weber27 wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:44 am
Evan Engram - OJ Howard - David Njoku

Obviously Even Engram is having a huge year for a rookie TE but both Howard and Njoku have shown a lot of promise.

Do all of them in up in the top 5 at the position at some point? Njoku is on the browns which may hurt his value, but is the youngest of the 3 by 2 years. Accounting for age, situation, and talent, what do you except from these TE's going forward??
They all look like they could beast. I'm a Howard guy, but tried getting both him and Engram this past preseason. Njoku I havent seen enough of but he looks like a manchild. I'm most excited for Howard but Engram's rookie season was seriously impressive. Gerald Everett I'm hoping can turn into something special too in the LA offense

Can anyone give me any insight on Butt and 2018 Andrews?

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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Weber27 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:02 am

I agree, I guess we should open this up to all the 2017 Rookie TE's because this class was ridiculous.

Jonnu Smith, Everett, Kittle, Sheehan, and Jake Butt

We haven't seen play yet, but like Sir Mix-a-lot I am a big Butt fan! He could have been a high draft pick if not for his injury. I think he has a lot of talent and as a Broncos fan I have heard the front office is really looking forward to him getting on the field. If he can stay healthy he will be a good one. I snagged him on the WW a few weeks ago to stash for free.
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TE: Kittle, Andrews, Njoku, Herndon, Hurst, McDonald
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TE: Andrews, Goedert, Fant, Gesicki, Sternberger
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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby gameaholica » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:14 am

How do you guys rank them? Butt and Burton are on waivers, and we are limited to three TE's. (Team in sig) Havin a hard time choosing what three to hold for the offseason. Will only keep one going into 2018.
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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby senska11 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:23 am

Engram
Njoku
Howard
Smith
Sheehen
Everett
Butt
Kittle

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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby ravn88 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:09 pm

senska11 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:23 am
Engram
Njoku
Howard
Smith
Sheehen
Everett
Butt
Kittle
How would you compare Mark Andrews with last year groupe?
His last game is today. Ive been reading Some good things..
Team 1 : 1QB 2RB 3 WR 1TE 1Flex 1K 1TM 2 IR 12 Keepers

QB: Carson Wentz, P. Mahomes
RB: M. Gordon, M. Ingram, J. Mixon, A. Jones & Jamaal W
WR: D. Hopkins, J. Jones K. Allen, M. Jones, J Crowder, Humpries & Moncrief
TE: E. Engram, Trey Burton, V Davis & J. Doyle

Team 2: 1QB 3RB 5WR 2TE 3FLEX DEF 26 Keepers 2019 Champ :thumbup:

QB: Wentz, Goff Josh Allen & Lock
RB: Barkley Zeke K. Hunt McCoy Penny D. Williams & Ito
WR: M. Thomas Cooper Godwin Juju J. Washington Renfrow & Zay
TE: Engram OJ Howard Waller & Everett
DEF: Pats Jags & Browns

Team 3: 1QB 1SF 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX DEF K

QB: Wilson Wentz Tannehill Teddy Haskins
RB: CMC Zeke Miles AP Gaskins
WR: Evans Adams Landry Metcalf Meyers
TE: Engram Ebron Herndon
DEF: Tampa

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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby hjernazian » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:34 am

As an Engram and Njoku owner (got both with picks 2.05 and 2.09), both Engrams and Howard's situation seems promising but unpredictable. QB play on both teams, other weapons, questionable spots in coaching. Frankly, I like Njoku for the long-term. But can't deny how impressive Engram was in his rookie year, and how versatile he is as a player. Wouldn't be suprised to see him him lining up outside a lot more next year, and being an easy safety net for Eli or whatever QB is there anytime OBJ draws all the attention. Tough call - I'm buying on all 3, and have turned down some serious offers for both Engram and Njoku.
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Superflex, 1.0 point PPR

QB: P. Mahomes $5, C. Newton $20, B. Mayfield $2, D. Brees
RB: D. Johnson $54, N. Chubb $4, T. Coleman $4, D. Henry $14, I. Crowell $3, J. Richard $9, J. Adams $3
WR: A. Robinson $41, T.Y. Hilton $24, J. Landry $25, C. Davis $4, C. Godwin $4, D. Hamilton $3, K. Cole, S. Shephard $10
TE: E. Engram $4, D. Njoku $2, K. Rudolph $3, V. McDonald $4
K/DEF: Irrelevant

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QB: T. Brady, M. Ryan, N. Foles
RB: K. Hunt, C. McCaffrey, D. Johnson, T. Coleman, S. Ware, D. Williams, Ito Smith, D. Sproles
WR: AJ Green, A. Robinson, A. Thielen, E. Sanders, G. Tate, S. Roberts
TE: J. Reed, J. Butt, M. Roberts, V. Davis, M. Williams
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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Weknownothing86 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:16 am

So far Howard and Engram have separated themselves from Njoku. Engram had a phenomenal rookie year but is he still really valued that much more highly than Howard at this point? Howard has games like today where he absolutely explodes and is a big play monster. Thoughts on the difference between Howard and Engram?
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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Titans95 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:59 am

Weknownothing86 wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:16 am
So far Howard and Engram have separated themselves from Njoku. Engram had a phenomenal rookie year but is he still really valued that much more highly than Howard at this point? Howard has games like today where he absolutely explodes and is a big play monster. Thoughts on the difference between Howard and Engram?
Still would rather Engram in a vacuum pretty easily over Howard. Engram is a WR with a TE designation. Howard is a great 3 down TE and can actually block well but that may limit his receiving production. With that said I was trying to grab Howard all offseason in any league I could because of how cheap he's been compared to Engram. I think after last week Howard's value just sky rocketed

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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Space Cowboy » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:06 am

Howard looks like a faster Tony Gonzalez out there. Him and Engram are close but I give slight nod to Howard.

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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Weknownothing86 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:35 am

I do feel Howard has boom or bust written on him a bit but I love the guy. Engram may have the safer floor but like ive pointed out we have seen multiple huge plays from howard now. Plays that will win you games.
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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:01 pm

How do you stack up Henry compared to them? Right after Engram and Howard and before Njoku?
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QB: Mahomes, Baker, D. Jones, Minshew, Luck
RB: Sony, D. Freeman, Penny, Mostert, Snell, J. Jackson, Hyde, Gaskin
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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Weknownothing86 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:20 pm

Id put hunter in the same tier as Oj and Engram.
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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:45 pm

I definitely like Howard, but you have to have reservations on how dependent he & Brate are on who is the Bucs QB. Fitzpatrick obviously has a better rapport w/Howard but the exact opposite could be true if Winston regains his role as starter.

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|RB| A. Kamara, J. Jacobs, J. Mixon, L. Murray, R. Anderson (IR)
|WR| C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, D.K. Metcalf, M. Gallup, , J. Ross, Da. Moore
|TE| J. Hollister, M. Gesicki, K. Rudolph, T. Eifert, I. Thomas, M. LaCosse, R. Gronkowski
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|S| M. Fitzpatrick, T. Walker, X. Woods, E. Thomas, E. Murray
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Re: TE Debate Engram - Howard - Njoku

Postby Krypto_King » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:15 am

Forza_Azzurri wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:45 pm
I definitely like Howard, but you have to have reservations on how dependent he & Brate are on who is the Bucs QB. Fitzpatrick obviously has a better rapport w/Howard but the exact opposite could be true if Winston regains his role as starter.
Brate can't hurt him if he's not on the field. He played 56% of snaps last year compared to only 32% so far this season. Until DJax goes down I think they prefer Godwin on the field over Brate.

Here are Howard's 16 game paces by snap %
60% snaps(14game sample) 16 game pace of 35-672-8
65% snaps(10games) 43-860-11 pace
70% (7games, inluding a 0 catch outing) 45-843-11 pace

He's played 65% or more in 7 straight healthy games and just hit his career high in week 2.

OJH is a big play and red zone monster and could be an elite fantasy weapon if he ever sees increased volume.


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