Tank Dell versus the field NEW & IMPROVED

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Choose top THREE (3) WRs you'd like to roster from this list.

Pittman
1
3%
Nico
1
3%
Olave
9
23%
GWilson
11
28%
THiggins
1
3%
Puka
2
5%
Dell
4
10%
JSN
1
3%
Flowers
0
No votes
London
0
No votes
Devonta
9
23%
 
Total votes: 39

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Tank Dell versus the field NEW & IMPROVED

Postby Anteaters » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:25 am

Now that Tank has proven to be better than all those bums (just kidding) in the first debate, I think we should consider where he slots with higher valued young WRs.

Of these young up-and-coming highly-valued WRs, which three would you most want on your dynasty roster right now.
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QB: Tua, Lamar, Dobbs
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, Charbs
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilson, QJ
TE: Goedert, Friermuth, Logan
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, RStevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver

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Re: Tank Dell versus the field NEW & IMPROVED

Postby Gator Sens » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:31 am

For me, he is behind, Wilson, Olave, and D. Smith on value but slots in somewhere right behind them. I still think Higgins is a good young WR, but his value is taking a hit during a rough season. London is overrated and JSN is a wait and see and this was always going to be a lost year for him despite his name value coming in. The sample size is small for Dell, but he has looked really good. Any deal to acquire him will likely take an overpay at this point and I am always a little weary to acquire super high early on a young player even if that means missing out.

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Re: Tank Dell versus the field NEW & IMPROVED

Postby Anteaters » Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:09 am

Gator Sens wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:31 am For me, he is behind, Wilson, Olave, and D. Smith on value but slots in somewhere right behind them. I still think Higgins is a good young WR, but his value is taking a hit during a rough season. London is overrated and JSN is a wait and see and this was always going to be a lost year for him despite his name value coming in. The sample size is small for Dell, but he has looked really good. Any deal to acquire him will likely take an overpay at this point and I am always a little weary to acquire super high early on a young player even if that means missing out.
It looks like the votes so far are aligning with your opinion.

Gotta admit I'm a little surprised to see Wilson above Olave (5-4) so far.

It will be interesting to see where opinions put Dell in relation to Devonta, Puka and Higgins. It's interesting to see the mercurial KTC now have Dell above DKM and Diggs, and just behind Devonta, Addison and Puka.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Dobbs
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, Charbs
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilson, QJ
TE: Goedert, Friermuth, Logan
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, RStevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver

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Postby MacDaddy123 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:48 am

I picked GW, Puka, and DeVonta.
Not sure I'd put anyone else above Tank, though I could see Olave tied with Dell.

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Postby SoftwoodGrampian » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:09 am

Where’s my boi Addison

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Re: Tank Dell versus the field NEW & IMPROVED

Postby Anteaters » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:46 am

SoftwoodGrampian wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:09 amWhere’s my boi Addison
I don't think he has any chance to truly be an elite fantasy producer but you're right, I should have included him.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Dobbs
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, Charbs
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilson, QJ
TE: Goedert, Friermuth, Logan
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, RStevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver

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Re: Tank Dell versus the field NEW & IMPROVED

Postby SoftwoodGrampian » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:58 am

Anteaters wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:46 am
SoftwoodGrampian wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:09 amWhere’s my boi Addison
I don't think he has any chance to truly be an elite fantasy producer but you're right, I should have included him.
Addison would be 2nd only to Puka in total points on this list. Ahead of Dell!

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Re: Tank Dell versus the field NEW & IMPROVED

Postby MacDaddy123 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:54 pm

SoftwoodGrampian wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:58 am
Anteaters wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:46 am
SoftwoodGrampian wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:09 amWhere’s my boi Addison
I don't think he has any chance to truly be an elite fantasy producer but you're right, I should have included him.
Addison would be 2nd only to Puka in total points on this list. Ahead of Dell!
Agree, Addison has to be on that list, as he is ahead of JSN, Flowers, and Tank as far as rookie WR's go.
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Re: Tank Dell versus the field NEW & IMPROVED

Postby Kurtrambis1 » Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:58 am

As someone who has Dell on my team, I was trying to compare him to last year's class and found I would still want Olave and Wilson above him. But if he keeps producing like he has throughout the end of the season I think there is going to be some serious discussion to group him with those guys this summer.

Wilson and Olave are only 1 year younger and although the Dynasty community values youth, it would be hard to ignore Dell's production in comparison. He has a chance to be more productive as a rookie than either of them have been in two years. His situation is obviously better than either of theirs, but this should be factored into his value.
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RB- Montgomery, Javonte Williams, Najee Harris, Jamaal Williams, Carter, Joshua Kelly, Trayveon Williams, Eli Mitchell
WR- J. Jefferson, Tyreek, D. Smith, Tank Dell, Curtis Samuel, Hollywood Brown, Renfrow, Rashee Rice
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Re: Tank Dell versus the field NEW & IMPROVED

Postby Anteaters » Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:11 am

Kurtrambis1 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:58 am As someone who has Dell on my team, I was trying to compare him to last year's class and found I would still want Olave and Wilson above him. But if he keeps producing like he has throughout the end of the season I think there is going to be some serious discussion to group him with those guys this summer.

Wilson and Olave are only 1 year younger and although the Dynasty community values youth, it would be hard to ignore Dell's production in comparison. He has a chance to be more productive as a rookie than either of them have been in two years. His situation is obviously better than either of theirs, but this should be factored into his value. Their future potential fuels valuations far above their current production.
Production versus pre-draft ranking (and the infamous eye-test) is something that fascinates me about fantasy football. I don't know if Olave or Wilson will ever have "better" seasons than they've already had, but the consensus seems to be they (and others like Devonta, etc) are only "that far" away from breaking out and being consistent high end WR1s.

Meanwhile, guys like Puka/Dell/etc have to follow up their out-producing the higher valued young WRs again and again to even come close to being valued the same. There is a lot of talk about talent and situation, when I think the conversation should always be about talent AND situation. Always.

It's fascinating to me to see some players be valued at a very high level, while other players who produce similarly (or even better) are valued significantly lower. Polls like this one really help me put a handle on value versus production.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Dobbs
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, Charbs
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilson, QJ
TE: Goedert, Friermuth, Logan
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, RStevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver


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