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Adams

Postby mzkp54 » Tue May 19, 2015 7:17 am

Received 2 trade offers with Davante Adams. Curious if you think either are a good move for my team. Red team in sig.

Offer 1: Give 1.3 for 1.7/Adams
Offer 2: Give 2.3/2.10 for Adams

Was leaning towards declining the first when he sent the second. Would you take either?
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Re: Adams

Postby BAMtastic » Tue May 19, 2015 7:56 am

The 2nd option of picks

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Re: Adams

Postby HawkeyeState » Tue May 19, 2015 7:57 am

Offer 1 is a fair trade. Offer 2 your getting Adams for free practically. Accept the 2nd deal and run
Team 1
10 TM .5 PPR, 6 pt all TDs 1/2/3/1/2Flex
Newton, Rivers
LF, Chubb, Michel, Kerryon, Hyde, AJones, Royce F, Crowell
Adams, Cooper, Alshon, Watkins, ARob, Fuller, Doctson, Funchess, Gallup, Pettis, Valdez-Scant
Gronk, HHenry, Engram
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 2
10 TM 1/2/3/1/1Flex 6pt all TDs .25 PPR RB, .5 PPR WR, 1 PPR TE
Wilson, Big Ben
Bell, JConner, MMack, Shady, CThompson, D'Onta Foreman, C Edmonds, B Scarborough
Julio, Nuk, Fuller, Cooks, ARob, Watkins, Cooper, SShepard, CDavis, DJ Chark
Kelce, Olsen, Andrews
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 3
10 team, 0.5 PPR RBs WRs, 1 PPR TEs, Devy Superflex League
Carr, Goff, Falk
Barkley, Dalvin, Mixon, Michel, Ballage, MDavis, Dixon, Akers*
Hopkins, JuJu, Watkins, Fuller, Agholor, Moncrief, EQSB, Valdez-Scant, CRogers
Eifert, Ebron, JJames, JCook
1.02, 2.02, 2.06, 3.04

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Re: Adams

Postby FFFAN » Tue May 19, 2015 8:37 am

Offer one you drop from 3 to 7 and gain a future starter for your team

Option two you lose 2 seconds to gain a future starter.


If you're confident in your drafting id take deal one and take best rb available at 7 and with both of those seconds as well. Adding adams to your wr core should solidify you there.

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Re: Adams

Postby Big Al » Tue May 19, 2015 11:31 am

Either is good but option 2 is way better if you can do it.

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Re: Adams

Postby HawkeyeState » Tue May 19, 2015 11:35 am

FFFAN wrote:Offer one you drop from 3 to 7 and gain a future starter for your team

Option two you lose 2 seconds to gain a future starter.


If you're confident in your drafting id take deal one and take best rb available at 7 and with both of those seconds as well. Adding adams to your wr core should solidify you there.
So you would rather relinquish one of the top 3 players for the 7th best player and Adams versus giving up 2 "dart throws" in the 2nd for a future starter in Adams? That doesn't make any sense.
If he does deal 2 he's essentially buying at half price on Adams (he's a mid 1st value right now) and still getting the 3rd best rookie.
If he does deal 1 he gets Adams and the 7th best player and some 2nd round dart throws...
Team 1
10 TM .5 PPR, 6 pt all TDs 1/2/3/1/2Flex
Newton, Rivers
LF, Chubb, Michel, Kerryon, Hyde, AJones, Royce F, Crowell
Adams, Cooper, Alshon, Watkins, ARob, Fuller, Doctson, Funchess, Gallup, Pettis, Valdez-Scant
Gronk, HHenry, Engram
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 2
10 TM 1/2/3/1/1Flex 6pt all TDs .25 PPR RB, .5 PPR WR, 1 PPR TE
Wilson, Big Ben
Bell, JConner, MMack, Shady, CThompson, D'Onta Foreman, C Edmonds, B Scarborough
Julio, Nuk, Fuller, Cooks, ARob, Watkins, Cooper, SShepard, CDavis, DJ Chark
Kelce, Olsen, Andrews
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 3
10 team, 0.5 PPR RBs WRs, 1 PPR TEs, Devy Superflex League
Carr, Goff, Falk
Barkley, Dalvin, Mixon, Michel, Ballage, MDavis, Dixon, Akers*
Hopkins, JuJu, Watkins, Fuller, Agholor, Moncrief, EQSB, Valdez-Scant, CRogers
Eifert, Ebron, JJames, JCook
1.02, 2.02, 2.06, 3.04

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Re: Adams

Postby BuckeyeNation » Tue May 19, 2015 11:49 am

mzkp54 wrote:Received 2 trade offers with Davante Adams. Curious if you think either are a good move for my team. Red team in sig.

Offer 1: Give 1.3 for 1.7/Adams
Offer 2: Give 2.3/2.10 for Adams

Was leaning towards declining the first when he sent the second. Would you take either?
Can't believe some of the responses in this thread. No way in hell do I move back out of the top tier of this draft to pick up Adams. I wonder if some people have forgotten that Cobb didn't leave GB.

The 2nd offer isn't even a slam dunk IMO. I think those that are calling Adams a potential starter are a bit too optimistic on Adams. If he's lucky, Adams may put up James Jones circa 2012 numbers with fewer TDs. He could be a spot starter of a matchup play as a WR4-5. Make no mistake about it though, Adams becoming a fantasy starter in the next year or 2 is going to require an injury to Jordy/Cobb. Obviously both have had some injury issues in the past, so it's possible. Adams still has a ways to go to become a fantasy starter IMO.

The 2nd offer is probably fair value for Adams IMO, but I'd want to wait until I was OTC to make the move. We've all been in drafts or read about drafts where players drop WAY more than they ever should. For example if a DGB/Perriman/Abdullah drops to 2.03, then I'd probably keep the picks. If the draft is "standard" and you're looking at guys like Dorsett/Strong/Funchess/Duke, then I think it's a matter of preference on who you want.
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Olsen/Graham/Gathers/Kittle

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Reed/Doyle/Miller/Gathers

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Ajayi/Howard/Hyde/Riddick/Vereen/Burk/Clement
OBJ/ARob/MThomas/Landry/Adams/Crowder/MJones/White/Lee/Samuel
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Re: Adams

Postby HawkeyeState » Tue May 19, 2015 11:57 am

People are overestimating how long Jordy can play IMO
Adams is more likely to take over Jordy's role in 2016/2017 then Cobbs
Team 1
10 TM .5 PPR, 6 pt all TDs 1/2/3/1/2Flex
Newton, Rivers
LF, Chubb, Michel, Kerryon, Hyde, AJones, Royce F, Crowell
Adams, Cooper, Alshon, Watkins, ARob, Fuller, Doctson, Funchess, Gallup, Pettis, Valdez-Scant
Gronk, HHenry, Engram
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 2
10 TM 1/2/3/1/1Flex 6pt all TDs .25 PPR RB, .5 PPR WR, 1 PPR TE
Wilson, Big Ben
Bell, JConner, MMack, Shady, CThompson, D'Onta Foreman, C Edmonds, B Scarborough
Julio, Nuk, Fuller, Cooks, ARob, Watkins, Cooper, SShepard, CDavis, DJ Chark
Kelce, Olsen, Andrews
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 3
10 team, 0.5 PPR RBs WRs, 1 PPR TEs, Devy Superflex League
Carr, Goff, Falk
Barkley, Dalvin, Mixon, Michel, Ballage, MDavis, Dixon, Akers*
Hopkins, JuJu, Watkins, Fuller, Agholor, Moncrief, EQSB, Valdez-Scant, CRogers
Eifert, Ebron, JJames, JCook
1.02, 2.02, 2.06, 3.04

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Re: Adams

Postby BuckeyeNation » Tue May 19, 2015 12:06 pm

HawkeyeState wrote:People are overestimating how long Jordy can play IMO
Adams is more likely to take over Jordy's role in 2016/2017 then Cobbs
I think you might be sending him out to pasture a bit prematurely. Injuries would be the one thing that could make Jordy's fall swift IMO. He just getting ready to turn 30, so he's by no means towards the cliff as a WR. Maybe his dynasty value is about to start dropping, but if healthy he should have at least 2 more years of elite play in him, maybe 3. I definitely don't think that 2015 will be his last season as GB's WR1 as long as he stays healthy.
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Freeman/Cook/Hyde/Crowell/AP/Rawls/JWill(GB)/Gallman/Vereen/Smallwood/Clement
Julio/Jordy/Crowder/Enunwa/JuJu/Zay/Treadwell/JJNelson/Anderson/Switzer
Olsen/Graham/Gathers/Kittle

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Luck/Cousins
Bell/Hunt/Gillislee/Henry/Charles/Rawls/Burkhead
Brown/Jordy/Tate/Moncrief/Enunwa/Meredith/Zay/JJNelson/Anderson/Stewart
Olsen/Ebron/Henry

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Cam/Smith/Trubisky
Zeke/CJA/Montgomery/Ware/Charles/Booker/Burk/Smallwood/Cohen
Brown/Hilton/Diggs/Marvin/Pryor/Parker/Maclin/Meredith/JJNelson
Reed/Doyle/Miller/Gathers

-TEAM 4- Year 3
Wilson/Mariota
Ajayi/Howard/Hyde/Riddick/Vereen/Burk/Clement
OBJ/ARob/MThomas/Landry/Adams/Crowder/MJones/White/Lee/Samuel
Olsen/Rudolph/Swoope/Barnidge

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Re: Adams

Postby FFFAN » Tue May 19, 2015 1:00 pm

HawkeyeState wrote:
FFFAN wrote:Offer one you drop from 3 to 7 and gain a future starter for your team

Option two you lose 2 seconds to gain a future starter.


If you're confident in your drafting id take deal one and take best rb available at 7 and with both of those seconds as well. Adding adams to your wr core should solidify you there.
So you would rather relinquish one of the top 3 players for the 7th best player and Adams versus giving up 2 "dart throws" in the 2nd for a future starter in Adams? That doesn't make any sense.
If he does deal 2 he's essentially buying at half price on Adams (he's a mid 1st value right now) and still getting the 3rd best rookie.
If he does deal 1 he gets Adams and the 7th best player and some 2nd round dart throws...

Hahaha...

So the 2nd round picks are darts but the 1st round picks are slam dunks?

In reality, every pick is a dart throw. Last year bishop sankey went top 5 in both my dynasty leagues and obj went early second.

There's ton of value at 7 Gurley, Gordon, yeldon, Cooper, white Parker, coleman

I'd rather own 1.7,2.3 and 2.10 over 1.3

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Re: Adams

Postby HawkeyeState » Tue May 19, 2015 1:04 pm

FFFAN wrote:
HawkeyeState wrote:
FFFAN wrote:Offer one you drop from 3 to 7 and gain a future starter for your team

Option two you lose 2 seconds to gain a future starter.


If you're confident in your drafting id take deal one and take best rb available at 7 and with both of those seconds as well. Adding adams to your wr core should solidify you there.
So you would rather relinquish one of the top 3 players for the 7th best player and Adams versus giving up 2 "dart throws" in the 2nd for a future starter in Adams? That doesn't make any sense.
If he does deal 2 he's essentially buying at half price on Adams (he's a mid 1st value right now) and still getting the 3rd best rookie.
If he does deal 1 he gets Adams and the 7th best player and some 2nd round dart throws...

Hahaha...

So the 2nd round picks are darts but the 1st round picks are slam dunks?

In reality, every pick is a dart throw. Last year bishop sankey went top 5 in both my dynasty leagues and obj went early second.

There's ton of value at 7 Gurley, Gordon, yeldon, Cooper, white Parker, coleman

I'd rather own 1.7,2.3 and 2.10 over 1.3
Percentages of said dart throws are better when the picks are higher.
So you would rather have DGB, Marcus Mariota, and Devin Smith versus Kevin White or Melvin Gordon? That's based off rookie only ADP at DLF.
Team 1
10 TM .5 PPR, 6 pt all TDs 1/2/3/1/2Flex
Newton, Rivers
LF, Chubb, Michel, Kerryon, Hyde, AJones, Royce F, Crowell
Adams, Cooper, Alshon, Watkins, ARob, Fuller, Doctson, Funchess, Gallup, Pettis, Valdez-Scant
Gronk, HHenry, Engram
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 2
10 TM 1/2/3/1/1Flex 6pt all TDs .25 PPR RB, .5 PPR WR, 1 PPR TE
Wilson, Big Ben
Bell, JConner, MMack, Shady, CThompson, D'Onta Foreman, C Edmonds, B Scarborough
Julio, Nuk, Fuller, Cooks, ARob, Watkins, Cooper, SShepard, CDavis, DJ Chark
Kelce, Olsen, Andrews
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 3
10 team, 0.5 PPR RBs WRs, 1 PPR TEs, Devy Superflex League
Carr, Goff, Falk
Barkley, Dalvin, Mixon, Michel, Ballage, MDavis, Dixon, Akers*
Hopkins, JuJu, Watkins, Fuller, Agholor, Moncrief, EQSB, Valdez-Scant, CRogers
Eifert, Ebron, JJames, JCook
1.02, 2.02, 2.06, 3.04

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Re: Adams

Postby The Fantasy Feud » Tue May 19, 2015 1:44 pm

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Re: Adams

Postby FFFAN » Tue May 19, 2015 3:03 pm

HawkeyeState wrote:
Percentages of said dart throws are better when the picks are higher.
So you would rather have DGB, Marcus Mariota, and Devin Smith versus Kevin White or Melvin Gordon? That's based off rookie only ADP at DLF.
I'd rather have tevin coleman or tj yeldon at 7 and 2.3 Duke Johnson with 2.10 buck allen over either Gurley or Gordon... 3 dart throws vs 1 dart throw...

Last season :
1.1 sammy watkins vs 1.7 Benjamin, 2.3 obj, 2.10adams
No one knows what will come from these players, no one. 1.7,2.3 and 2.10 is more valuable than 1.3 in my book

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Re: Adams

Postby BuckeyeNation » Tue May 19, 2015 3:11 pm

FFFAN wrote:
HawkeyeState wrote:
Percentages of said dart throws are better when the picks are higher.
So you would rather have DGB, Marcus Mariota, and Devin Smith versus Kevin White or Melvin Gordon? That's based off rookie only ADP at DLF.
I'd rather have tevin coleman or tj yeldon at 7 and 2.3 Duke Johnson with 2.10 buck allen over either Gurley or Gordon... 3 dart throws vs 1 dart throw...

Last season :
1.1 sammy watkins vs 1.7 Benjamin, 2.3 obj, 2.10adams
No one knows what will come from these players, no one. 1.7,2.3 and 2.10 is more valuable than 1.3 in my book
Meh, I don't think throwing names at picks a year later proves much. Plus Adams didn't make it past 2.03 in any of my 13 leagues I was in last year, and OBJ never left the 1st round.

I could match player names to picks as well to prove the opposite point. 1.01 Watkins vs. 1.07 Sankey, 2.03 West, 2,10 Jace Amaro. Give me Watkins all day long.
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Freeman/Cook/Hyde/Crowell/AP/Rawls/JWill(GB)/Gallman/Vereen/Smallwood/Clement
Julio/Jordy/Crowder/Enunwa/JuJu/Zay/Treadwell/JJNelson/Anderson/Switzer
Olsen/Graham/Gathers/Kittle

-TEAM 2- Year 5 '13/'16 Champ-'14/'15 R/U
Luck/Cousins
Bell/Hunt/Gillislee/Henry/Charles/Rawls/Burkhead
Brown/Jordy/Tate/Moncrief/Enunwa/Meredith/Zay/JJNelson/Anderson/Stewart
Olsen/Ebron/Henry

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'13-'15 R/U
Cam/Smith/Trubisky
Zeke/CJA/Montgomery/Ware/Charles/Booker/Burk/Smallwood/Cohen
Brown/Hilton/Diggs/Marvin/Pryor/Parker/Maclin/Meredith/JJNelson
Reed/Doyle/Miller/Gathers

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Wilson/Mariota
Ajayi/Howard/Hyde/Riddick/Vereen/Burk/Clement
OBJ/ARob/MThomas/Landry/Adams/Crowder/MJones/White/Lee/Samuel
Olsen/Rudolph/Swoope/Barnidge

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Re: Adams

Postby FFFAN » Tue May 19, 2015 9:26 pm

BuckeyeNation wrote:
FFFAN wrote:
HawkeyeState wrote:
Percentages of said dart throws are better when the picks are higher.
So you would rather have DGB, Marcus Mariota, and Devin Smith versus Kevin White or Melvin Gordon? That's based off rookie only ADP at DLF.
I'd rather have tevin coleman or tj yeldon at 7 and 2.3 Duke Johnson with 2.10 buck allen over either Gurley or Gordon... 3 dart throws vs 1 dart throw...

Last season :
1.1 sammy watkins vs 1.7 Benjamin, 2.3 obj, 2.10adams
No one knows what will come from these players, no one. 1.7,2.3 and 2.10 is more valuable than 1.3 in my book
Meh, I don't think throwing names at picks a year later proves much. Plus Adams didn't make it past 2.03 in any of my 13 leagues I was in last year, and OBJ never left the 1st round.

I could match player names to picks as well to prove the opposite point. 1.01 Watkins vs. 1.07 Sankey, 2.03 West, 2,10 Jace Amaro. Give me Watkins all day long.

So you think 1.3 >>> 1.7,2.3,2.10???


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