UPDATE: Too much for Julio?

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UPDATE: Too much for Julio?

Postby GiantNinja » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:03 am

Julio owner is offering me Julio + Tre Mason/Isaiah Crowell (my choice) for Mike Evans + Jamaal Charles.

To my way of thinking, the difference between Charles and Crowell/Mason is much bigger than the difference between Julio and Evans.

That said, if I pulled the trigger, my WRs would be Dez, AJ, Julio, and OBJ. And we can start 4. Yikes.

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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby Chandler Bing » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:07 am

Pretty close deal. I would take Julio/Mason but I can see preferring other side

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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby Amazing » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:22 am

I'd give that for Julio and Mason.

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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby project mayhem » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:30 am

I like the Julio side. Evans still has a long way to climb to get into the Julio level of talent and Charles is aging.

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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby goinyard24 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:48 am

I'll take Julio side here JC doesn't have many years left, I would move him while you can.
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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby bonscott » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:57 am

Agreed, I like that trade on the Julio/Mason side. Charles while still at the top of his game is aging, perhaps 3 yrs left? Amazingly he'll be 29 by the end of the season. As noted above, Evans still has a ways to go and will have a rookie QB most likely.

To me Julio > Charles...similar scoring potential, Julio with a lot more years left on him. He's got at least 8 years left if he stays healthy. Maybe 10.
Mason and Evans are about even. Both are still a bit of a question mark based on their situation. Evans of course being a WR has a much greater chance at a longer career.

So it's pretty even but I'd take Julio and Mason all day long and cash in on Charles before he loses value and you're not really taking a hit at all for short term playoff run. But long term I think it's a win.

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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby dynastyninja » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:09 am

Am I missing something? The difference between Evans and Julio isn't much. Charles is worth way more than that difference.

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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby thebeast » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:35 am

Julio and Mason for me without any thought. Charles is a declining asset and Evans owners are hoping he becomes Julio, which he might, but Julio is a much safer bet.

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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby dynastynut » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:52 am

Take Julio/Mason!
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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby dynastyninja » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:33 am

If we're looking at ADP Julio is WR3 and Evans is WR4. You're telling me that the difference between Charles and Crowell/Mason isn't significant enough to move from WR3 to WR4? I'm confused here.

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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby GiantNinja » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:35 am

dynastyninja wrote:Am I missing something? The difference between Evans and Julio isn't much. Charles is worth way more than that difference.
That's keep kind of my thinking as well, OtherNinja. Sure, Mason could be the Rams' starter for a year or two. But he's JAG. I think the Charles/Mason gap is far wide than the Julio/Evans gap.
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R. Gronkowski*, J. Cook, T. Burton

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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby dynastyninja » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:35 am

GiantNinja wrote:
dynastyninja wrote:Am I missing something? The difference between Evans and Julio isn't much. Charles is worth way more than that difference.
That's keep kind of my thinking as well, OtherNinja. Sure, Mason could be the Rams' starter for a year or two. But he's JAG. I think the Charles/Mason gap is far wide than the Julio/Evans gap.
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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby GiantNinja » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:41 pm

Julio owner has 1.03, 1.10, and 1.12.

I countered with Evans + Charles + Knile Davis for Julio + Mason + 1.10 + 1.12.
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R. Gronkowski*, J. Cook, T. Burton

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T. Brady*, A. Luck
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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby goinyard24 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:51 pm

dynastyninja wrote:Am I missing something? The difference between Evans and Julio isn't much. Charles is worth way more than that difference.
Yes. Haha the difference between Evans and Julio is quite a bit. Next year at this time, it may be Evans but what did he do? Have 3 big games? Julio has been doing this a lot longer. Julio side easily.
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Re: Too much for Julio?

Postby Bad News Barrett » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:15 pm

dynastyninja wrote:If we're looking at ADP Julio is WR3 and Evans is WR4. You're telling me that the difference between Charles and Crowell/Mason isn't significant enough to move from WR3 to WR4? I'm confused here.
Sure the ADP isn't far off, but I wouldn't take the trade because I haven't seen enough of Evans. Some people are believers, some aren't. Even with the injury risk, I'd keep Julio
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