Graham for Brown
Graham for Brown
I have Gronk and Graham but can start one as a WR. The Antonio Brown owner really wants Jimmy, but I initiated the trade talks by offering a straight up swap. He says he needs more. Do you wait it out? If not what do you add?
12 Team, 21 man roster, Non PPR
QB-Dak, Wentz
RB-Zeke, Chubb, J Taylor, D Henderson, C Patterson, Pollard, J Wilson, Ty’son Williams
WR-Adams, Hill, Diggs, Boyd, A Brown, A Robinson, AJ Green
TE-Kittle, Goedert,
K-Butker
QB-Dak, Wentz
RB-Zeke, Chubb, J Taylor, D Henderson, C Patterson, Pollard, J Wilson, Ty’son Williams
WR-Adams, Hill, Diggs, Boyd, A Brown, A Robinson, AJ Green
TE-Kittle, Goedert,
K-Butker
Re: Graham for Brown
PPR or non PPR, this is fairly even. I wouldn't be adding anything to Graham
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Re: Graham for Brown
It's not always fair to put a lot of stock into pts but as a point of reference in my 2 ppr league Brown scored 536 pts. Gronk 354 pts. and Graham 320 pts. granted Graham missed a game and was playing hurt but I can see why he might want a little something added.
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Re: Graham for Brown
I say wait it out. You have the TE market cornered. Others should be paying a premium for those Graham or Gronk, imo.
I just traded Brown/2nd for Gronk/1st, but i feel like i got the much better end of that deal.
Cant you play one in a flex spot?
I just traded Brown/2nd for Gronk/1st, but i feel like i got the much better end of that deal.
Cant you play one in a flex spot?
12 Team PPR - Start QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 Flex, K, DEF, DL, LB, DB, Def Flex, 16 Bench, 3 IR
QB - Taylor, Bortles, Cutler
RB - Yeldon, Sims, Crowell, C. Mike, D. Martin, M. Jones, David Johnson, McKinnon, Artis-Payne, Zenner
WR - J. Jones, Dez, Hopkins, S. Watkins, A. Cooper, Moncrief, D. Adams, A. Robinson, Perriman, Strong
TE - Gronk, Rudolph, Reed, Ebron
DL - Chandler Jones, Wilkerson
LB - J. Collins, C. Mosley, Malcolm Smith
DB - J. Cyprien, Berry
K - Catanzaro
DEF - Redskins
QB - Taylor, Bortles, Cutler
RB - Yeldon, Sims, Crowell, C. Mike, D. Martin, M. Jones, David Johnson, McKinnon, Artis-Payne, Zenner
WR - J. Jones, Dez, Hopkins, S. Watkins, A. Cooper, Moncrief, D. Adams, A. Robinson, Perriman, Strong
TE - Gronk, Rudolph, Reed, Ebron
DL - Chandler Jones, Wilkerson
LB - J. Collins, C. Mosley, Malcolm Smith
DB - J. Cyprien, Berry
K - Catanzaro
DEF - Redskins
Re: Graham for Brown
Graham for Brown is fair. /Maybe/ add a late round pick, but nothing more than that.
Re: Graham for Brown
Actually, you would need to compare the players to the next best options at their position. So in a start-1 TE league, the other owner should be looking at his current best TE's points vs Jimmy's points, then comparing AB's points to his next best WR's points. Of course that can't be everything, but that's a place to start maybe, if you want to look points.captain_insano wrote:It's not always fair to put a lot of stock into pts but as a point of reference in my 2 ppr league Brown scored 536 pts. Gronk 354 pts. and Graham 320 pts. granted Graham missed a game and was playing hurt but I can see why he might want a little something added.
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Re: Graham for Brown
I 100% agree with this. That's what "positional advantage" really meansjeffster wrote:Actually, you would need to compare the players to the next best options at their position. So in a start-1 TE league, the other owner should be looking at his current best TE's points vs Jimmy's points, then comparing AB's points to his next best WR's points. Of course that can't be everything, but that's a place to start maybe, if you want to look points.captain_insano wrote:It's not always fair to put a lot of stock into pts but as a point of reference in my 2 ppr league Brown scored 536 pts. Gronk 354 pts. and Graham 320 pts. granted Graham missed a game and was playing hurt but I can see why he might want a little something added.
If I were to move Gronk for any of the big receivers, I'd want something added, unless I was getting Dez (But I already have him)
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Re: Graham for Brown
If the Brown owner "really wants" Graham, then he should throw something in on his side. As others have mentioned, owning Gronk and Graham gives you the leverage, not the other way around. Graham is a great flex and injury insurance for Gronk.kuphal_99 wrote:I have Gronk and Graham but can start one as a WR. The Antonio Brown owner really wants Jimmy, but I initiated the trade talks by offering a straight up swap. He says he needs more. Do you wait it out? If not what do you add?
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RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
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WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
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Re: Graham for Brown
I am putting Graham on the market. Which other WR would you accept in a straight up deal?
12 Team, 21 man roster, Non PPR
QB-Dak, Wentz
RB-Zeke, Chubb, J Taylor, D Henderson, C Patterson, Pollard, J Wilson, Ty’son Williams
WR-Adams, Hill, Diggs, Boyd, A Brown, A Robinson, AJ Green
TE-Kittle, Goedert,
K-Butker
QB-Dak, Wentz
RB-Zeke, Chubb, J Taylor, D Henderson, C Patterson, Pollard, J Wilson, Ty’son Williams
WR-Adams, Hill, Diggs, Boyd, A Brown, A Robinson, AJ Green
TE-Kittle, Goedert,
K-Butker
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Julio, Brown, Dez, AJG, Calvin, DT.
Re: Graham for Brown
Maybe my league is different than others but I would get laughed at if I tried to offer Graham staright up for any of those guys.
12 Team, 21 man roster, Non PPR
QB-Dak, Wentz
RB-Zeke, Chubb, J Taylor, D Henderson, C Patterson, Pollard, J Wilson, Ty’son Williams
WR-Adams, Hill, Diggs, Boyd, A Brown, A Robinson, AJ Green
TE-Kittle, Goedert,
K-Butker
QB-Dak, Wentz
RB-Zeke, Chubb, J Taylor, D Henderson, C Patterson, Pollard, J Wilson, Ty’son Williams
WR-Adams, Hill, Diggs, Boyd, A Brown, A Robinson, AJ Green
TE-Kittle, Goedert,
K-Butker
Re: Graham for Brown
I would much rather have any of the WR that I mentioned over Graham as well; but you asked what WR would you take for him, that was my answer.
You need one of the big WR with that roster; I would try to offer Watkins and 1.03 and see if thats close. And keep Graham if you can start both him and Gronk. If you cant start them both, then going back to the OP, add something to Graham to get Brown.
You need one of the big WR with that roster; I would try to offer Watkins and 1.03 and see if thats close. And keep Graham if you can start both him and Gronk. If you cant start them both, then going back to the OP, add something to Graham to get Brown.
Re: Graham for Brown
In my league it won't get it done. I tried Watkins and Allen for Brown and was shot down. Brown is by far the most attainable of all those guys one the list.
12 Team, 21 man roster, Non PPR
QB-Dak, Wentz
RB-Zeke, Chubb, J Taylor, D Henderson, C Patterson, Pollard, J Wilson, Ty’son Williams
WR-Adams, Hill, Diggs, Boyd, A Brown, A Robinson, AJ Green
TE-Kittle, Goedert,
K-Butker
QB-Dak, Wentz
RB-Zeke, Chubb, J Taylor, D Henderson, C Patterson, Pollard, J Wilson, Ty’son Williams
WR-Adams, Hill, Diggs, Boyd, A Brown, A Robinson, AJ Green
TE-Kittle, Goedert,
K-Butker
Re: Graham for Brown
Didn't you hear? Calvin is so old he will be rolling his routes in a wheel chair next season, and his value is somewhere around a mid 3rd. You should read this forum more, and you would know that already!kuphal_99 wrote:In my league it won't get it done. I tried Watkins and Allen for Brown and was shot down. Brown is by far the most attainable of all those guys one the list.
Also, in all seriousness, it's not surprising to see Brown going number one overall in the occasional startup mock right now.