Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

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Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby yayazoo » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:32 am

2 TE/TE premium league (also superflex). Would you trade away Ertz for Nico Collins/Tulane Wallace + 3rd round pick in 2023? Only have a couple of usable TEs besides him but I’m also not really a contender.

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby BucBuc » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:35 am

You could probably get more if you shopped him to more teams
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12 Team Half PPR Superflex ..1Qb , 2Rb, 3Wr,1 Te, 2Flex 1Superflex 1Def
QBs: Dak,Goff, Burrow
RBS: Bijan,Pacheco,D.Harris,Fournette,GibsonDillon,Penny, Darell Williams,Chestnut,Ty Chandler,M
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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby never_punts » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:37 am

I would hold. I'd rather hold to shop to a contender during this season and risk him failing in 2021, and retire on my bench, than sell that short
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25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
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QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

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RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby M-Dub » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:42 am

As an Ertz owner, I’d probably trade him for Collins straight up at this point, so yeah, I’d take two extra dart throws on top.
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby HughHoney » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:50 am

M-Dub wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:42 am As an Ertz owner, I’d probably trade him for Collins straight up at this point, so yeah, I’d take two extra dart throws on top.
I basically did just that. Dealt him for the 2.06 in a SF/Devy league and took Collins with that pick. I’d definitely do the deal for Collins+3rd. I shopped him around a while with zero interest. Sure his value could increase but I’d rather get a prospect I like now than carry him on the roster and risk the value dropping. This is a second year league that I went heavy on youth/Devy so not contending yet.

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:57 am

I could see taking this deal if you are looking for young hopeful depth, but I could also see holding given the format and hoping his value rebounds a bit. It's a gamble either way, but I would be looking to hold right now as his value is super low this offseason.

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby M-Dub » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:09 am

HughHoney wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:50 am
M-Dub wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:42 am As an Ertz owner, I’d probably trade him for Collins straight up at this point, so yeah, I’d take two extra dart throws on top.
I basically did just that. Dealt him for the 2.06 in a SF/Devy league and took Collins with that pick. I’d definitely do the deal for Collins+3rd. I shopped him around a while with zero interest. Sure his value could increase but I’d rather get a prospect I like now than carry him on the roster and risk the value dropping. This is a second year league that I went heavy on youth/Devy so not contending yet.
To be fair, I didn’t notice the 2TE plus TEP setting when I made my original reply. That would probably give me pause, but the utter lack of interest in Ertz, both in the dynasty community and the real NFL, makes me think this is still probably the best return you’ll get for him at this point. If the team is not competing, as OP said, it’s still probably better to cash out for a handful of dart throws.
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby MaddMadden » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:17 am

In a 2TE league, I would have to get a bit more for him.

This is ~50% discount in an only TEP league. That discount probably increases 150% or so in 2TE. Ertz is only 30... still younger than other productive players at the position in the past... Kelce, Olsen, Graham, Gronk. If you want to trade him, wait until he is out of PHI.

This is awful value. Don't do this trade.
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2022 picks: 1st, 3rd
2023 picks: 2 1st, 2 2nd, 3 3rd, 2 4ths

Players under contracts 2021 (years)
QB: K. Murray (3), T. Lance (4)
RB: S. Barkley (4), C. Edwards-Helaire (3+1), J. Jacobs (4), M. Davis (1), D. Henderson (1), AJ Dillon (3), Z. Moss (3), T. Pollard (2), T. Etienne (4)
WR: DK Metcalf (2), C. Ridley (2), T. McLaurin (2), J. Chase (4), R. Bateman (4), E. Moore (4), R. Moore (4), J. Reagor (3), B. Edwards (3), KJ Hamler (3)
TE: G. Kittle (3), A. Trautman (3)
K: Y. Koo (1)
DE: D. Hunter (1), C. Young (3+1), J. Bosa (2), J. Allen (2), K. Paye (4)
DT: A. Donald (2), Q. Williams (3)
LB: D. Leonard (2), R. Smith (3), F. Warner (3) P. Queen (3), I. Simmons (3), J. Davis (4)
S: D. James (2), R. Grant (4)
CB: K. Moore (2)

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby MaddMadden » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:18 am

M-Dub wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:09 am
The utter lack of interest in Ertz, both in the dynasty community and the real NFL, makes me think this is still probably the best return you’ll get for him at this point.



This is EXACTLY why you should hold!!
10 team half-PPR league. Starters: QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2FLEX, K, 2DE, DT, 2LB, S, CB, 2IDP. 40man roster. Salary Cap pinned to NFL.

2022 picks: 1st, 3rd
2023 picks: 2 1st, 2 2nd, 3 3rd, 2 4ths

Players under contracts 2021 (years)
QB: K. Murray (3), T. Lance (4)
RB: S. Barkley (4), C. Edwards-Helaire (3+1), J. Jacobs (4), M. Davis (1), D. Henderson (1), AJ Dillon (3), Z. Moss (3), T. Pollard (2), T. Etienne (4)
WR: DK Metcalf (2), C. Ridley (2), T. McLaurin (2), J. Chase (4), R. Bateman (4), E. Moore (4), R. Moore (4), J. Reagor (3), B. Edwards (3), KJ Hamler (3)
TE: G. Kittle (3), A. Trautman (3)
K: Y. Koo (1)
DE: D. Hunter (1), C. Young (3+1), J. Bosa (2), J. Allen (2), K. Paye (4)
DT: A. Donald (2), Q. Williams (3)
LB: D. Leonard (2), R. Smith (3), F. Warner (3) P. Queen (3), I. Simmons (3), J. Davis (4)
S: D. James (2), R. Grant (4)
CB: K. Moore (2)

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby yayazoo » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:26 am

Thanks everyone! Would you change your mind (those who were against it at least) if I was able to get Nico Collins + 2nd round pick in 2023 (and give a 3rd round pick in 2022 in addition to Ertz). Thanks again!

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby HughHoney » Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:07 am

M-Dub wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:09 am
HughHoney wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:50 am
M-Dub wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:42 am As an Ertz owner, I’d probably trade him for Collins straight up at this point, so yeah, I’d take two extra dart throws on top.
I basically did just that. Dealt him for the 2.06 in a SF/Devy league and took Collins with that pick. I’d definitely do the deal for Collins+3rd. I shopped him around a while with zero interest. Sure his value could increase but I’d rather get a prospect I like now than carry him on the roster and risk the value dropping. This is a second year league that I went heavy on youth/Devy so not contending yet.
To be fair, I didn’t notice the 2TE plus TEP setting when I made my original reply. That would probably give me pause, but the utter lack of interest in Ertz, both in the dynasty community and the real NFL, makes me think this is still probably the best return you’ll get for him at this point. If the team is not competing, as OP said, it’s still probably better to cash out for a handful of dart throws.
Good point. And my league is TEP but not start 2.

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:14 am

yayazoo wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:26 am Thanks everyone! Would you change your mind (those who were against it at least) if I was able to get Nico Collins + 2nd round pick in 2023 (and give a 3rd round pick in 2022 in addition to Ertz). Thanks again!
I would still hold and see what happens with Ertz. The 2nd is a long way out and in a start 2 TE, I think his value will rebound a bit in season. The offseason is full of low ball and hoping to buy for the cheapest possible price type deals.

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby M-Dub » Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:34 am

MaddMadden wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:18 am
M-Dub wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:09 am
The utter lack of interest in Ertz, both in the dynasty community and the real NFL, makes me think this is still probably the best return you’ll get for him at this point.



This is EXACTLY why you should hold!!
So you wind up with even less? I’m not sure I’m following your reasoning here…
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby MaddMadden » Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:36 am

M-Dub wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:34 am
MaddMadden wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:18 am
M-Dub wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:09 am
The utter lack of interest in Ertz, both in the dynasty community and the real NFL, makes me think this is still probably the best return you’ll get for him at this point.



This is EXACTLY why you should hold!!


So you wind up with even less? I’m not sure I’m following your reasoning here…


He will outperform his implied value. Selling with no liquidity is never a good practice.

I would also still hold considering a second two years away.
10 team half-PPR league. Starters: QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2FLEX, K, 2DE, DT, 2LB, S, CB, 2IDP. 40man roster. Salary Cap pinned to NFL.

2022 picks: 1st, 3rd
2023 picks: 2 1st, 2 2nd, 3 3rd, 2 4ths

Players under contracts 2021 (years)
QB: K. Murray (3), T. Lance (4)
RB: S. Barkley (4), C. Edwards-Helaire (3+1), J. Jacobs (4), M. Davis (1), D. Henderson (1), AJ Dillon (3), Z. Moss (3), T. Pollard (2), T. Etienne (4)
WR: DK Metcalf (2), C. Ridley (2), T. McLaurin (2), J. Chase (4), R. Bateman (4), E. Moore (4), R. Moore (4), J. Reagor (3), B. Edwards (3), KJ Hamler (3)
TE: G. Kittle (3), A. Trautman (3)
K: Y. Koo (1)
DE: D. Hunter (1), C. Young (3+1), J. Bosa (2), J. Allen (2), K. Paye (4)
DT: A. Donald (2), Q. Williams (3)
LB: D. Leonard (2), R. Smith (3), F. Warner (3) P. Queen (3), I. Simmons (3), J. Davis (4)
S: D. James (2), R. Grant (4)
CB: K. Moore (2)

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Re: Zach Ertz Value? (2 TE/TEP league)

Postby dblj1199 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:29 pm

I'd be holding him right now. His value is low, but assuming he is cut or traded (most likely cut) and will hopefully land in a good spot. So if your not contending I'm holding and hoping to get a much better return. What is he lands in Tenn, LAC, LAR, Seattle, etc, several great landing spots for him. Too me your selling very low in a 2 TE / TEP league.
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