Chark versus Rookies UPDATE: Draft Results

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Chark versus Rookies UPDATE: Draft Results

Postby Anteaters » Thu May 13, 2021 8:56 am

I have the 3rd, 5th, 8th, and 14th overall picks in a draft this weekend for the team in sig. The draft includes rookies and veteran free agents. Based on recent draft history I'm certain Najee will be the first pick and mostly confident ETN will be the 2nd. In that scenario, I'll take Chase 3rd. If Chase goes second, I'll take ETN. I'm hoping for Javonte with the 5th pick.

DJ Chark, Hunt, and Corey Davis are the three best veterans available. There are other RB3s and RB4s and WR3s available, but I don't want any of them. I'd be happy with either Chark or Hunt at #18, but they will likely go in the first 10 picks and Davis a few picks later. I have no interest in drafting Hunt or Davis that early, but Chark intrigues me.

If Chark is still on the board at the 8th pick, how does he measure up to DSmith, Waddle, Pitts or other top rookies? I'm thinking that with my WRs, I don't necessarily need Smith or Waddle and that Chark is still young enough to be a positive contributor for a few years. And even that Chark might become more consistent and become a good WR2 with a better QB in town. Does anyone think Chark is so good I should get him with the 5th pick?

Those 4 picks are basically the only chances I have to improve on the offensive end during the draft. After the 18th pick, I'll be picking up IDPs and such.

Tough choices...
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TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby atlmoneyman » Thu May 13, 2021 9:01 am

I believe that Chark is on the last year of his deal. I wouldn’t base my decision on expecting him to be receiving passes from Trevor Lawrence. That isn’t certain.

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby Midnight » Thu May 13, 2021 9:04 am

Harris, Ettienne, Williams, Chase, Pitts, Waddle, DSmith might all gone before pick 8. If thats the case id take Chark over Batemen at 8
Year #9 (3 titles)
12 teams SF .5 PPR 4pt passing TDs
1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex 1SF 0Kickers

QB- Watson, Herbert, Tua, Purdy
RB- CMC, RWhite, JCook, Swift, Gibson, TyChand
WR- Tyreek, Cupp, Cooper, Palmer, MT13
TE- Kmet, Chig, Likely


Team #2 (going full rebuild in 2022)
year #6 (3 titles)
Fields, richardson, DJones
Charbonnet, Dobbins & bunch of bleep
Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Doubs, Boutte, ZJones, OBJ, Ross
Chig, Gray, Parham
DT-buckner, Madubukie
DE-JBosa, NBosa, ZCollins, Gary, JoshSweat
LB-Leonard, Oluokun, DWhite, DClark, Gay
CB-Lenoir
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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby Gator Sens » Thu May 13, 2021 9:09 am

I prefer Chark over Bateman, Moore, Moore and those tiers of WR's. I would gamble on Smith and Waddle over him however.
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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Thu May 13, 2021 9:09 am

I have Chark and I'm still taking Smith, Waddle and Pitts over him. I think Chark has proven to be better than them, but if a guy isn't on fire, I sometimes like the reset to regain the value in case things go south. If Chark has a bad year, his value is in the tank. If Waddle tanks(think Ruggs or Rheagor), you can still get a 2nd next year.

I would take him over the Moore's, Toney, Marshall tier.
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)

Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5

Team 2-
12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE

Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning

JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker

Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins


24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby Anteaters » Thu May 13, 2021 9:17 am

Midnight wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:04 am Harris, Ettienne, Williams, Chase, Pitts, Waddle, DSmith might all gone before pick 8. If thats the case id take Chark over Batemen at 8
I think you're right with most of those guesses. However, I think the league will not go crazy about Pitts and he might still be there at 8. In this league, I don't think a rookie TE has ever been drafted in the 1st round. If that holds up, would you choose Chark or Pitts?
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby Anteaters » Thu May 13, 2021 9:20 am

atlmoneyman wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:01 am I believe that Chark is on the last year of his deal. I wouldn’t base my decision on expecting him to be receiving passes from Trevor Lawrence. That isn’t certain.
I haven't really considered that. It's possible JAX doesn't resign him and let's him go just like they let ARob go a couple of years ago. If so, I hope his post-JAX career is as good as ARob's.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby Anteaters » Thu May 13, 2021 9:21 am

Gator Sens wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:09 am I prefer Chark over Bateman, Moore, Moore and those tiers of WR's. I would gamble on Smith and Waddle over him however.
That's about how I think I'm leaning. In a sense, I hope the draft settles the decision for me and that Smith and Waddle are gone before 8.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby Anteaters » Thu May 13, 2021 9:25 am

SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:09 am I have Chark and I'm still taking Smith, Waddle and Pitts over him. I think Chark has proven to be better than them, but if a guy isn't on fire, I sometimes like the reset to regain the value in case things go south. If Chark has a bad year, his value is in the tank. If Waddle tanks(think Ruggs or Rheagor), you can still get a 2nd next year.
I don't like holding sure WR3s/4s over higher-potential WRs either. I just have to figure out if Chark has enough potential to be worth a roster spot for me.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby Midnight » Thu May 13, 2021 9:27 am

Anteaters wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:17 am
Midnight wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:04 am Harris, Ettienne, Williams, Chase, Pitts, Waddle, DSmith might all gone before pick 8. If thats the case id take Chark over Batemen at 8
I think you're right with most of those guesses. However, I think the league will not go crazy about Pitts and he might still be there at 8. In this league, I don't think a rookie TE has ever been drafted in the 1st round. If that holds up, would you choose Chark or Pitts?
Give me Pitts over Chark all day everyday. Pitts has elite position potential, Chark doesnt.
Year #9 (3 titles)
12 teams SF .5 PPR 4pt passing TDs
1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex 1SF 0Kickers

QB- Watson, Herbert, Tua, Purdy
RB- CMC, RWhite, JCook, Swift, Gibson, TyChand
WR- Tyreek, Cupp, Cooper, Palmer, MT13
TE- Kmet, Chig, Likely


Team #2 (going full rebuild in 2022)
year #6 (3 titles)
Fields, richardson, DJones
Charbonnet, Dobbins & bunch of bleep
Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Doubs, Boutte, ZJones, OBJ, Ross
Chig, Gray, Parham
DT-buckner, Madubukie
DE-JBosa, NBosa, ZCollins, Gary, JoshSweat
LB-Leonard, Oluokun, DWhite, DClark, Gay
CB-Lenoir
S-Dugger, Love, Grant, Kearse, Blackmon

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Thu May 13, 2021 9:52 am

Anteaters wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:25 am
SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:09 am I have Chark and I'm still taking Smith, Waddle and Pitts over him. I think Chark has proven to be better than them, but if a guy isn't on fire, I sometimes like the reset to regain the value in case things go south. If Chark has a bad year, his value is in the tank. If Waddle tanks(think Ruggs or Rheagor), you can still get a 2nd next year.
I don't like holding sure WR3s/4s over higher-potential WRs either. I just have to figure out if Chark has enough potential to be worth a roster spot for me.
I'm sure your hang up is the same as mine and you are wondering if he is actually a WR1/2 in disguse. If he was playing for top 10 QB would he be a high end wr2? I kind of think so, but again, I'm hedging my bets and resetting with those top 3 wrs, even if I don't see Waddle and Smith having a consistent wr1 career.
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)

Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5

Team 2-
12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE

Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning

JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker

Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins


24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby Anteaters » Thu May 13, 2021 11:46 am

SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:52 am
Anteaters wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:25 am
SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:09 am I have Chark and I'm still taking Smith, Waddle and Pitts over him. I think Chark has proven to be better than them, but if a guy isn't on fire, I sometimes like the reset to regain the value in case things go south. If Chark has a bad year, his value is in the tank. If Waddle tanks(think Ruggs or Rheagor), you can still get a 2nd next year.
I don't like holding sure WR3s/4s over higher-potential WRs either. I just have to figure out if Chark has enough potential to be worth a roster spot for me.
I'm sure your hang up is the same as mine and you are wondering if he is actually a WR1/2 in disguse. If he was playing for top 10 QB would he be a high end wr2? I kind of think so, but again, I'm hedging my bets and resetting with those top 3 wrs, even if I don't see Waddle and Smith having a consistent wr1 career.
That's it exactly. I keep thinking Chark might be a stud in lamb's clothing. It's the same reason I'm holding Marquise Brown for his third season on my roster. I've probably seen enough to know, but I want to see just a little bit more.

Maybe I'll avoid the WRs after Chase altogether and go with Pitts (if available) or another RB after Javonte. I'm losing faith that Waddle can ever be a WR2 for fantasy. If DSmith is gone, I might look away from WRs with the 8 pick.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Thu May 13, 2021 12:00 pm

I dont know why Waddle couldn't be a healthy Fuller/Cooks/Djax/Hilton if he stays healthy(all would be wr1s or 2s at times. There is just no way to know but it's not at all out of the realm of possibility. Not everyone is Ruggs and John Ross
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)

Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5

Team 2-
12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE

Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning

JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker

Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins


24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby CGW » Thu May 13, 2021 12:14 pm

Id definitely take Pitts over chark. I'd probably take potential of smith and waddle too. Then I'd take chark before the next tier of WR.

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Re: Chark versus Rookies

Postby StripesOfKC » Thu May 13, 2021 12:24 pm

Chase>>Pitts>>Chark>the rest

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