Had an offer of Deebo Samuel and a 2022 1st (likely late) for Michael Thomas, is that close or an insult?
I do like Samuel's prospects and I think he is flying under the radar due to last year's injury and I don't have a 2022 1st.....however Thomas (and Kamara) are going to completely dominate targets in the Saints offense and if Winston is the QB, Thomas could put up huge numbers again.
If I was considering it, how much more would you need added to to Samuel side to make it worthwhile for me?
MThomas offer - is this miles off?
MThomas offer - is this miles off?
12 team/.5 PPR league/ 1 QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex, D, K
Team 1
QB: Jackson Richardson, Kyler
RB: McCaffrey, B Hall, Mostert, FordKendre Miller, E Mitchell, McLaughlin
WR: Lamb, K Allen, G WilsonLondon, Flowers, JSN, Mims, Perry
TE: Kelce, Goedert, Likely
K: Aubrey
D: 49ers Cowboys, Browns
Team 2
QB: Lawrence, Wilson, Fields
RB: Javonte Williams, Ekeler, McCaffrey, Pacheco Charbonnet, Bigsby
WR: Chase, London, Jeudy Woods, Sutton, Beckham, Skyy Moore, W Robinson
TE: Pitts Likely, Kmet, Dulcich
K: McPherson
D: 49ers
Team 1
QB: Jackson Richardson, Kyler
RB: McCaffrey, B Hall, Mostert, FordKendre Miller, E Mitchell, McLaughlin
WR: Lamb, K Allen, G WilsonLondon, Flowers, JSN, Mims, Perry
TE: Kelce, Goedert, Likely
K: Aubrey
D: 49ers Cowboys, Browns
Team 2
QB: Lawrence, Wilson, Fields
RB: Javonte Williams, Ekeler, McCaffrey, Pacheco Charbonnet, Bigsby
WR: Chase, London, Jeudy Woods, Sutton, Beckham, Skyy Moore, W Robinson
TE: Pitts Likely, Kmet, Dulcich
K: McPherson
D: 49ers
Re: MThomas offer - is this miles off?
That is a massive under pay for MT IMO
I am just a guy sharing some thoughts
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Re: MThomas offer - is this miles off?
Not even close for me. This is selling super low. If someone wants to add a player to a late 1st to get MT I'm looking for someone like Sutton or Aiyuk. I'd rather hold MT than sell that low.
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QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
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RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
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RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd
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Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
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Re: MThomas offer - is this miles off?
I would hold Thomas here too. An early 1st on top would be needed. Thomas was hurt all last year and has been one of the best and most consistent WR's for years. No need to sell at his current price in my opinion. Hold and enjoy the production.
Re: MThomas offer - is this miles off?
Thanks guys, I thought it was a low ball offer but had to make sure. The fact that the Saints are even weaker at WR than last year with Sanders away and with them not doing anything in the draft/free agency, makes me very hopeful for Thomas this year and after last year, he has something to prove.
Will ask in here rather than open a new topic, but in another league (full ppr), I have been offered Calvin Ridley for Antonio Gibson, which of the two do you prefer?
Will ask in here rather than open a new topic, but in another league (full ppr), I have been offered Calvin Ridley for Antonio Gibson, which of the two do you prefer?
12 team/.5 PPR league/ 1 QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex, D, K
Team 1
QB: Jackson Richardson, Kyler
RB: McCaffrey, B Hall, Mostert, FordKendre Miller, E Mitchell, McLaughlin
WR: Lamb, K Allen, G WilsonLondon, Flowers, JSN, Mims, Perry
TE: Kelce, Goedert, Likely
K: Aubrey
D: 49ers Cowboys, Browns
Team 2
QB: Lawrence, Wilson, Fields
RB: Javonte Williams, Ekeler, McCaffrey, Pacheco Charbonnet, Bigsby
WR: Chase, London, Jeudy Woods, Sutton, Beckham, Skyy Moore, W Robinson
TE: Pitts Likely, Kmet, Dulcich
K: McPherson
D: 49ers
Team 1
QB: Jackson Richardson, Kyler
RB: McCaffrey, B Hall, Mostert, FordKendre Miller, E Mitchell, McLaughlin
WR: Lamb, K Allen, G WilsonLondon, Flowers, JSN, Mims, Perry
TE: Kelce, Goedert, Likely
K: Aubrey
D: 49ers Cowboys, Browns
Team 2
QB: Lawrence, Wilson, Fields
RB: Javonte Williams, Ekeler, McCaffrey, Pacheco Charbonnet, Bigsby
WR: Chase, London, Jeudy Woods, Sutton, Beckham, Skyy Moore, W Robinson
TE: Pitts Likely, Kmet, Dulcich
K: McPherson
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Re: MThomas offer - is this miles off?
I would hang onto Thomas unless you are in long term rebuild mode.
Re: MThomas offer - is this miles off?
With Thomas, it's really not about other WRs on the team. It's about him getting into the physical and mental space that he was in 2019. For that guy, the offer you got is laughable.NFL123 wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:38 pm Thanks guys, I thought it was a low ball offer but had to make sure. The fact that the Saints are even weaker at WR than last year with Sanders away and with them not doing anything in the draft/free agency, makes me very hopeful for Thomas this year and after last year, he has something to prove.
Will ask in here rather than open a new topic, but in another league (full ppr), I have been offered Calvin Ridley for Antonio Gibson, which of the two do you prefer?
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Re: MThomas offer - is this miles off?
Calvin Ridley is essentially equal to Gibson to me, really depends on team needs and league format
Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd
Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd
Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
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Re: MThomas offer - is this miles off?
Yucky - hard pass, no counter.
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Re: MThomas offer - is this miles off?
It is a bad trade (we all know that) but I don't think it's crazy low. Trade calculators have it about 80% value on the MT side but I did want to add this since you asked what would be needed to make it more fair...
MT is sneaky old and the Saints offense is a question mark. I also think Deebo's value is lower than it should be bc of the injury last year and Aiyuk taking the spotlight. I wouldn't do that trade but it's a starting point. You could counter with adding a 2023 1st or if your league hasn't done the rookie draft already, you could ask for their 1st this year plus their original offer. Other potential players to make up the gap would be Kupp, Andrews, Hunt, Chark, Woods, Juju, or Hockenson IMO.
MT is sneaky old and the Saints offense is a question mark. I also think Deebo's value is lower than it should be bc of the injury last year and Aiyuk taking the spotlight. I wouldn't do that trade but it's a starting point. You could counter with adding a 2023 1st or if your league hasn't done the rookie draft already, you could ask for their 1st this year plus their original offer. Other potential players to make up the gap would be Kupp, Andrews, Hunt, Chark, Woods, Juju, or Hockenson IMO.
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