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Would you flip Goff for 2.03 and an (early) 2022 2nd?
(Both Moores, Terrace, Sermon available). After trading up to grab TLaw at 1, I'm trying to move either Carr or Goff and get some receiving options. Any advice on how to move those guys would be great. Don't think I need to follow the normal rule of getting a QB back given my volume at the position.
Goff Value - and QB Question
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Goff Value - and QB Question
Team 1 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
Very nice QB room now. I would put Goff and Carr on the block publicly and let your league know you are looking for a WR or two in return and see what options come. Carr may bring the better return, but I think this is the best way to gauge interest and price.
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
Yeah totally - any ballpark on what sort of replacement level WR you'd be targeting?
Appreciate the help!
Appreciate the help!
Team 1 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
Each league is so different value wise, are you looking for a younger option or vet?stevothepirate wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:32 pm Yeah totally - any ballpark on what sort of replacement level WR you'd be targeting?
Appreciate the help!
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
It's a good question. The way I see if, I'm probably 2 productive wrs away from being competitive.
If I can get to that cheaper by taking vets, and lose some value due to age, I'd probably go that route. There are some really needy teams (talking Tannehill and PJ Walker), but I think the pressure will build towards the season. Targets on that roster, for example, would be Ridley, Higgins, Claypool, Sutton.
Overall, this league tends to devalue QBs if they roster 2 starters of any quality.
If I can get to that cheaper by taking vets, and lose some value due to age, I'd probably go that route. There are some really needy teams (talking Tannehill and PJ Walker), but I think the pressure will build towards the season. Targets on that roster, for example, would be Ridley, Higgins, Claypool, Sutton.
Overall, this league tends to devalue QBs if they roster 2 starters of any quality.
Team 1 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
K. Allen always seems undervalued and I would also check in on Julio Jones and Hopkins if you think they put you over the top. Jones could be dirt cheap and some seem to be trying to get out of Hopkins. Not saying these would be straight up deals, but may be worth a price check.stevothepirate wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:46 pm It's a good question. The way I see if, I'm probably 2 productive wrs away from being competitive.
If I can get to that cheaper by taking vets, and lose some value due to age, I'd probably go that route. There are some really needy teams (talking Tannehill and PJ Walker), but I think the pressure will build towards the season. Targets on that roster, for example, would be Ridley, Higgins, Claypool, Sutton.
Overall, this league tends to devalue QBs if they roster 2 starters of any quality.
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
I wouldnt want to trade for Goff at all, but these non qb concerned teams tend to pay for guys like him once they are in a bind. Obv happy with Ridley if you can get that done.
Id make the case for Keenan as well. Push for - Goff scores more in the SF overall, KA only has a year or two before he falls off the cliff(which i think is about a year longer tham Goff starts in the league), blah blah blah.
KA will get tons of targets again and his game translates well to playing longer than a guy that relies on athleticism.
Id make the case for Keenan as well. Push for - Goff scores more in the SF overall, KA only has a year or two before he falls off the cliff(which i think is about a year longer tham Goff starts in the league), blah blah blah.
KA will get tons of targets again and his game translates well to playing longer than a guy that relies on athleticism.
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr
11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)
Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White
Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez
Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo
Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker
24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5
Team 2-
12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE
Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning
JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker
Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,
Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins
24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5
11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)
Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White
Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez
Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo
Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker
24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5
Team 2-
12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE
Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning
JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker
Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,
Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins
24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
Just an update on this front - closing in on one with Amari for Goff + 2.04...
Team 1 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
Cooper is a very solid WR. This is the type of deal you were hoping for!stevothepirate wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:35 am Just an update on this front - closing in on one with Amari for Goff + 2.04...
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
Pull the trigger?? He's in!
Team 1 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
2021 and 2022 Runner Up
1QB 1RB 1WR 3Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Burrow, Hurts, Prescott, Geno, Carr, Darnold, Heinicke, Browning
RB: Barkley, Pollard, Mattison, J. Ford, Miles Sanders, CEH, Bigsby, Zeke, Fournette, Latavius
WR: Kupp, AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, DK Metcalf, D. London, Juju, Lockett, Mingo, Parris Campbell, Terrace Marshall
TE: Kelce, Hockenson, Parham
Team 2 - 12 Team Super Flex
2021 Runner Up
1QB 2RB 2WR 2Flex 1SFlex TE DST K
QB: Trevor Lawrence, Kyler,, Anthony Richardson, Carr, Trubisky, Huntley
RB:Javonte, James Robinson, Kyren Williams, Dare Ogunbowale
WR: Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, M. Brown, Treylon Burks, Skyy Moore, Hamler, MVS, Jakobi, Reagor, Slayton
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Irv Smith Jr, Likely
Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
Good deal. Goff is very expendable on your roster.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
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Re: Goff Value - and QB Question
I think this helps your team overall. I'm not sure you should be adding the 2nd, but I'm not sure I would let that hold up the deal. Cooper is a lot safer than Goff no matter the format in my opinion. He could be a top 10 WR with Prescott.
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