Javonte or Diontae?

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Who would you prefer?

Javonte Williams
20
74%
Diontae Johnson
7
26%
 
Total votes: 27

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Javonte or Diontae?

Postby SWIMball » Thu May 06, 2021 11:09 am

Which would you rather have, straight up?
Dynasty 12tm .5PPR, 1 QB, 2RB, 2WR, 4W/R/T
QB: Dak, Richardson
RB: Barkley, Ekeler, Montgomery, Charbonnet, G. Edwards, Jeff Wilson, J. McLaughlin, Hunt, Dowdle, Z. White, Kelley, Spiller, Mason
WR: Lamb, Jeudy, Pittman, Godwin, Diontae, W. Robinson, M. Mims, C. Tillman, D. Douglas
TE: Andrews, McBride, Jonnu
Picks: 2024: 1st; 25&26: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby boochluke » Thu May 06, 2021 11:11 am

Javonte by a country mile
Team 1
10 team 1QB, PPR, shallow roster
1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX
QB: Josh Allen, Trey Lance
RB: Swift, Dobbins, Gibson, Javonte, Damien Harris
WR: DJM, Lamb, Higgins, Chase, Waddle, Eli Moore
TE: Pitts

Team 2
10 team 1QB, .5TEP, IDP, PPR deep roster
1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, 1LB, 1DB, 1idpFLEX
QB: Dak, Darnold
RB: JT, Mixon, Gibson, Javonte, Pollard, Mattison, Eli Mitchell, Penny
WR: AJB, Aiyuk, Woods, Sutton, D Smith, Eli Moore, Terrace M, Mooney, Mims, Toney, Gabe Davis, Nico Collins, Amon-Ra
TE: Goedert, Kmet, Trautman
LB: Tremaine Edmunds, Deion Jones, Jamin Davis
DB: Derwin James, Jabrill Peppers[/size]

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby dblj1199 » Thu May 06, 2021 11:14 am

I'm leaning Javonte simply because there are fewer rb's out there. DJ's biggest downfall is what happens at qb in Pitt next year?
2015, 2017, 2022 Champ.
10 team, 6 pt all td, ppr, 1.5 te ppr. 30 man roster QB, SF, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, Flex (r/w/t), K, 3 IDP


Qb- Mahomes, Prudy, Baker
RB- S Barkley, Pollard, B Hall, K Herbert, D Foreman, R Johnson, Zeke, J Robinson, Z White, J Wilson(i.r.), J McKinnon, J Mason, J Hill
WR- J Jefferson, Deebo, DJ Moore, OBJ, S Moore, J Jennings, C Austin, Trey Palmer
TE- Andrews, Higbee, Dulchich, Ferguson, D Washington
IDP(3)- P Queen,D Perryman, J Jewell, J Campbell, N Dean (i.r.)
K- E McPherson, Butker

draft picks
2024- 2, 4, 5
2025- 3, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby Madcity_matt » Thu May 06, 2021 11:15 am

Javonte

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby bills2 » Thu May 06, 2021 11:22 am

boochluke wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:11 am Javonte by a country mile
In the country, can confirm

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby jwb32 » Thu May 06, 2021 11:26 am

Javonte very easily on value alone. Diontae won't return more than a late 1st in a trade. And even that might be pushing it.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09

TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04

TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
2022 1st, 2nd (2), 3rd (2)

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby Gator Sens » Thu May 06, 2021 12:02 pm

Williams has more hopeful value as an RB, but Johnson is pretty well established and a lot safer. I build around WR's, therefore I would lean Johnson based on the known product. Obviously not a popular opinion though.

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby bills2 » Thu May 06, 2021 12:07 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:02 pm Williams has more hopeful value as an RB, but Johnson is pretty well established and a lot safer. I build around WR's, therefore I would lean Johnson based on the known product. Obviously not a popular opinion though.
You can sure do that. But you'd be able to get Javonte + for Diontae based on value. Going with Diontae over Javonte straight up is giving up some value

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby Gator Sens » Thu May 06, 2021 12:14 pm

bills2 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:07 pm
Gator Sens wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:02 pm Williams has more hopeful value as an RB, but Johnson is pretty well established and a lot safer. I build around WR's, therefore I would lean Johnson based on the known product. Obviously not a popular opinion though.
You can sure do that. But you'd be able to get Javonte + for Diontae based on value. Going with Diontae over Javonte straight up is giving up some value
Based on the responses and the poll, looks like you would need to add to Johnson to get to Williams.

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby tsarpepe » Thu May 06, 2021 12:15 pm

DJ, and not close. An established target hog vs. a big promise.

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby bills2 » Thu May 06, 2021 12:15 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:14 pm
bills2 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:07 pm
Gator Sens wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:02 pm Williams has more hopeful value as an RB, but Johnson is pretty well established and a lot safer. I build around WR's, therefore I would lean Johnson based on the known product. Obviously not a popular opinion though.
You can sure do that. But you'd be able to get Javonte + for Diontae based on value. Going with Diontae over Javonte straight up is giving up some value
Based on the responses and the poll, looks like you would need to add to Johnson to get to Williams.
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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby Gator Sens » Thu May 06, 2021 12:23 pm

bills2 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:15 pm
Gator Sens wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:14 pm
bills2 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:07 pm

You can sure do that. But you'd be able to get Javonte + for Diontae based on value. Going with Diontae over Javonte straight up is giving up some value
Based on the responses and the poll, looks like you would need to add to Johnson to get to Williams.
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Votes are 7 -2 in favor of Williams. Am I missing something here? Seems like you are arguing that Johnson is more valuable than Williams but everyone on here outside of me and essentially within the poll is saying the opposite. Is your original post supposed to say Javonte for Johnson+?

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby jwb32 » Thu May 06, 2021 12:28 pm

Picks vs players is a strange phenomenon. Absolutely no one is paying 1.03 or 1.04 for Diontae, yet that is the price for Javonte. In fact you'd need to add at least an early 2nd added to Diontae to get the 1.04. However, once the pick is made and its Javonte vs Diontae, you could make a case going for the proven production of the young WR.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09

TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04

TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
2022 1st, 2nd (2), 3rd (2)

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Re: Javonte or Diontae?

Postby tsarpepe » Thu May 06, 2021 4:27 pm

jwb32 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:28 pm Picks vs players is a strange phenomenon. Absolutely no one is paying 1.03 or 1.04 for Diontae, yet that is the price for Javonte. In fact you'd need to add at least an early 2nd added to Diontae to get the 1.04. However, once the pick is made and its Javonte vs Diontae, you could make a case going for the proven production of the young WR.
Yes, it's called pick inflation; and now is the peak time for it.


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