Wow, trade for the 1.04?!?! - POLL

This is the place for team advice - should I make this trade, should I draft that player, etc.

Which are you taking?

21’ 1.04
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21’ 1.08 and 21’ 2.07
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Total votes: 57

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Wow, trade for the 1.04?!?! - POLL

Postby TampaBay216 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:38 pm

I’m posting this for educational purposes as some of the members in my league are still unsure about the value of 1st round rookie picks. If I’m wrong, please correct me. Which side are you taking? Thanks in advance.

Little background: the team trading away the 1.04 is in full rebuild. The team trading 1.08 and 2.07 has players such as Mahomes, K. Murray, Swift, Taylor, Dobbins, CEH, Akers, J. Jefferson, Metcalf, T. Hockenson, and M. Andrews.
Team 1
12 team IDP PPR Single QB

QB: J. Burrow, J. Love
RB: S. Barkley, A. Kamara, J. Williams
WR: C. Lamb, J. Jefferson, M. Evans, C. Godwin, A.J. Brown
TE: S. LaPorta D. Geodert, T. Kelce
DL: D. Hunter, C. Granderson, B. Chubb
LB: P. Queen, R. Smith, CJ Mosley
CB: J. Thompson, CJGJ, P. Adebo

Team 2
14 Team TEP SF PPR IDP

QB: P. Mahomes, A. Richardson , B. Young
RB: B. Robinson, J. Gibbs
WR: T. Higgins, M. Brown, D. London, D. Wicks, Q. Johnston
TE: D. Njoku, I. Likely

Picks: 24’ - 1.10 - 2.09 - 2.14 - 3.09 - 3.13

Team 3
12 team IDP SF PPR TEP

QB: L. Jackson, J. Hurts, B. Young, Rodgers
RB: B. Hall, J. Gibbs, I. Pacheco, A. Kamara
WR: P. Nacua, Deebo, JSN, Sutton, M. Brown
TE: T. Hockenson, J. Ferguson
LB: F. Oluokun, R. Smith, R. Spillane, B. Wagner, D. Greenlaw
DB: J. Brisker, B. Baker, K. Moore
DL: D. Hunter, M. Garrett, K. Paye, Q. Williams

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Postby Gator Sens » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:55 pm

Even in a full rebuild, I'm holding the 1.04. The extra pick is nice in a full rebuild, but the 2.07 does not do enough to drop out of the elite tier of incoming rookies. Easy hold for me.

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Postby DynastyDynasty » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:30 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:55 pm Even in a full rebuild, I'm holding the 1.04. The extra pick is nice in a full rebuild, but the 2.07 does not do enough to drop out of the elite tier of incoming rookies. Easy hold for me.
^ This. It would cost more than the 2.07 to move up from 1.08 to 1.07. Let alone up to 1.04 into the top tier of rookies in this class, as Gator said.
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QB-Mahomes,Ryan,Roeth
RB-McCaffrey,Kamara,J.Wilson,Jam.Williams,Hines,S.Perine,Hubbard
WR-Hill,Ridley,Golladay,Thielen,Godwin,Boyd,Hardman,Campbell,Coutee,Patrick
TE-Kittle,Pitts,Dwelley,Butler,Reyes
DL-Hunter,Ogbah,Graham,Q.Williams,Paye
LB-Leonard,Wagner,David,Reddick,Morrow,D.Davis,Thompson,W.Gay,Mosley
DB-Curl,Ryan,Clark,Phillips
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Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:01 pm

I don't think it's terrible in a full rebuild but not close enough for me to do it. Should look more like 1.12 and 1.08, imo. Not collusion or anything though.
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

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Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5

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Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning

JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker

Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins


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Postby tsarpepe » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:49 pm

Actually, in 1QB the values are pretty close here. KTC says "fair trade," with about 10% in favor of 1.04.

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Postby Anteaters » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:50 am

The 1.04 owner should never accept and that's a ridiculous trade. I don't care what trade calculators say, the value is not there. The 1.04 is a very good bet - the 2.07 is a hail mary.
As commissioner, I'd allow it but first ask the 1.04 if he made a mistake when he clicked "accept". If I was in a league where owners vote on trades, I'd vote against.
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RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
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Postby Mtt33 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:27 am

Love trading back especially if rebuilding. Do not love trading back for so little in return. 1.04 pretty easily.

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Postby Jigga94 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:53 am

This is 1.04 easily. That rebuild team sounds like it's the other team's farm system

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Postby TampaBay216 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:40 am

Thank you all for your input. The 30-0 poll proved my point: The manager isn’t getting anywhere near the correct value in return for such a high valued pick at 1.04.
Team 1
12 team IDP PPR Single QB

QB: J. Burrow, J. Love
RB: S. Barkley, A. Kamara, J. Williams
WR: C. Lamb, J. Jefferson, M. Evans, C. Godwin, A.J. Brown
TE: S. LaPorta D. Geodert, T. Kelce
DL: D. Hunter, C. Granderson, B. Chubb
LB: P. Queen, R. Smith, CJ Mosley
CB: J. Thompson, CJGJ, P. Adebo

Team 2
14 Team TEP SF PPR IDP

QB: P. Mahomes, A. Richardson , B. Young
RB: B. Robinson, J. Gibbs
WR: T. Higgins, M. Brown, D. London, D. Wicks, Q. Johnston
TE: D. Njoku, I. Likely

Picks: 24’ - 1.10 - 2.09 - 2.14 - 3.09 - 3.13

Team 3
12 team IDP SF PPR TEP

QB: L. Jackson, J. Hurts, B. Young, Rodgers
RB: B. Hall, J. Gibbs, I. Pacheco, A. Kamara
WR: P. Nacua, Deebo, JSN, Sutton, M. Brown
TE: T. Hockenson, J. Ferguson
LB: F. Oluokun, R. Smith, R. Spillane, B. Wagner, D. Greenlaw
DB: J. Brisker, B. Baker, K. Moore
DL: D. Hunter, M. Garrett, K. Paye, Q. Williams

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Postby sloth8u » Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:12 am

TampaBay216 wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:40 am Thank you all for your input. The 30-0 poll proved my point: The manager isn’t getting anywhere near the correct value in return for such a high valued pick at 1.04.
At the draft ( when people try to move back) offers like this are not there alot of times from my experiences. Maybe you'd argue that if you can't get "proper value in your eyes" the owner should just pick at 4. Then people would be upset that he takes a meh guy at 4.

When I see threads like these.... I always wonder what others were offering for pick 4? Did he take the best offer. Did anybody else offer?

This is not close to veto worthy and quite honestly, dropping back 3 spots...doesn't warrant a huge overpay right now. Maybe the owner is comfortable with 7+ rookies and doesn't mind moving back for that.

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Postby krtbuckeye » Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:22 am

I would prefer to have 1.04, but I don’t think it an outright railroad, just a great deal for the guy who got 1.04.
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Postby TampaBay216 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:51 am

sloth8u wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:12 am
TampaBay216 wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:40 am Thank you all for your input. The 30-0 poll proved my point: The manager isn’t getting anywhere near the correct value in return for such a high valued pick at 1.04.
At the draft ( when people try to move back) offers like this are not there alot of times from my experiences. Maybe you'd argue that if you can't get "proper value in your eyes" the owner should just pick at 4. Then people would be upset that he takes a meh guy at 4.

When I see threads like these.... I always wonder what others were offering for pick 4? Did he take the best offer. Did anybody else offer?

This is not close to veto worthy and quite honestly, dropping back 3 spots...doesn't warrant a huge overpay right now. Maybe the owner is comfortable with 7+ rookies and doesn't mind moving back for that.
She, never made it known she was trading the pick. Just randomly popped up one day.
She’s dropping back 4* spots, at the cost of the 2.07. That’s not remotely close imo.
7+ rookies? She would be getting 1 extra with the addition of the 2.07. Not worth a Chase, Pitts, Williams imo.
Team 1
12 team IDP PPR Single QB

QB: J. Burrow, J. Love
RB: S. Barkley, A. Kamara, J. Williams
WR: C. Lamb, J. Jefferson, M. Evans, C. Godwin, A.J. Brown
TE: S. LaPorta D. Geodert, T. Kelce
DL: D. Hunter, C. Granderson, B. Chubb
LB: P. Queen, R. Smith, CJ Mosley
CB: J. Thompson, CJGJ, P. Adebo

Team 2
14 Team TEP SF PPR IDP

QB: P. Mahomes, A. Richardson , B. Young
RB: B. Robinson, J. Gibbs
WR: T. Higgins, M. Brown, D. London, D. Wicks, Q. Johnston
TE: D. Njoku, I. Likely

Picks: 24’ - 1.10 - 2.09 - 2.14 - 3.09 - 3.13

Team 3
12 team IDP SF PPR TEP

QB: L. Jackson, J. Hurts, B. Young, Rodgers
RB: B. Hall, J. Gibbs, I. Pacheco, A. Kamara
WR: P. Nacua, Deebo, JSN, Sutton, M. Brown
TE: T. Hockenson, J. Ferguson
LB: F. Oluokun, R. Smith, R. Spillane, B. Wagner, D. Greenlaw
DB: J. Brisker, B. Baker, K. Moore
DL: D. Hunter, M. Garrett, K. Paye, Q. Williams

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Postby murphysxm » Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:56 am

the 1.04 is losing the trade, but it's not too outrageous. We have no idea who the owner is targeting this year and how they value players. If I can trade back, still pick who I want and pick up a 2nd I do it everytime. I just don't see it with who I value in this class.
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Postby ff330 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:18 am

Agree with holding the 1.04. Javonte, Devonta, or Pitts would help the rebuild. Depending on how the first three picks go maybe even Etienne slips to #4.
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1
QB - Mahomes
RB- Jacobs, Pierce, Penny, Mostert, Singletary, Wilson, Mckinnon, Moss, Foreman, Mitchell
WR - Kupp, Waddle, Lockett, Marquise Brown, OBJ
TE - Kincaid

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QB - Dak, GSmith
RB - Swift, Mattison, White, Mostert, Gibbs, Foreman, Mitchell, D. Cook
WR - AJB, Kupp, Kirk, C.Samuel, JWilliams, OBJ, Ross
TE - Kittle, Ferguson

3
QB - Allen, Tua
RB - Kamara, AJones, Walker, Chandler, Pierce, Akers, JWilliams, Jaleel M., Mitchell
WR - Adams, Hopkins, Lockett, J. Watson
TE - Kraft, Dulcich

4
QB - Allen, Burrow (IR)
RB - CMC, Kamara, Stevenson, J.Cook, Foreman, J.Wilson, Jaleel, Mitchell
WR - Diggs, Jeudy, Aiyuk, ARSB, MWilliams Mooney, Downs, N. Brown
TE - Kincaid, Engram

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QB - Mahomes, Cousins
RB - Chubb, AJones, Akers, Foreman, Moss, Penny, Jaleel, Mitchell, Gray
WR - Adams, MThomas, Waddle, GDavis, Mooney, JWilliams, Downs, Dell, Skyy, Ross
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Postby TampaBay216 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:52 am

murphysxm wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:56 am the 1.04 is losing the trade, but it's not too outrageous. We have no idea who the owner is targeting this year and how they value players. If I can trade back, still pick who I want and pick up a 2nd I do it everytime. I just don't see it with who I value in this class.
Absolutely, I would too every time.. I just don’t see it this year, in this class, at the 1.04. Give me the 1.04 as imo, the tier level drops off after the 1.05.
Team 1
12 team IDP PPR Single QB

QB: J. Burrow, J. Love
RB: S. Barkley, A. Kamara, J. Williams
WR: C. Lamb, J. Jefferson, M. Evans, C. Godwin, A.J. Brown
TE: S. LaPorta D. Geodert, T. Kelce
DL: D. Hunter, C. Granderson, B. Chubb
LB: P. Queen, R. Smith, CJ Mosley
CB: J. Thompson, CJGJ, P. Adebo

Team 2
14 Team TEP SF PPR IDP

QB: P. Mahomes, A. Richardson , B. Young
RB: B. Robinson, J. Gibbs
WR: T. Higgins, M. Brown, D. London, D. Wicks, Q. Johnston
TE: D. Njoku, I. Likely

Picks: 24’ - 1.10 - 2.09 - 2.14 - 3.09 - 3.13

Team 3
12 team IDP SF PPR TEP

QB: L. Jackson, J. Hurts, B. Young, Rodgers
RB: B. Hall, J. Gibbs, I. Pacheco, A. Kamara
WR: P. Nacua, Deebo, JSN, Sutton, M. Brown
TE: T. Hockenson, J. Ferguson
LB: F. Oluokun, R. Smith, R. Spillane, B. Wagner, D. Greenlaw
DB: J. Brisker, B. Baker, K. Moore
DL: D. Hunter, M. Garrett, K. Paye, Q. Williams


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