Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

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Swift + for JT+

Poll ended at Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:31 pm

Swift + picks
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JT, Jefferson, Waller
20
95%
 
Total votes: 21

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Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby Panthers357 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:31 pm

Team 1 in my signature. 1 QB Half ppr 12 teams. Received Offer of 21 1.06, 1.07, 1.08, 1.11, probably late 22 1st, 22 2nd probably early and swift for my jt, Justin Jefferson and Waller. Guy says he thinks jt = 1.06, 1.07, 1.11, Jefferson = swift, 21 1.08, 22 1st and 2nd. First inclination is to swiftly reject. Thoughts?
Team 1 Fleaflicker 12 Team Half PPR Start 9 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1TE, 1Flex RB, WR,TE 1Def, 1K
QB- A Rich , Stafford, Mac Jones, Minshew
RB- Taylor, Etienne, Ekeler, K Walker, Fournette, k miller, foreman, TDP
WR- ARSB, Adams, Evans, Marquise brown, Burks Gallup, Alec Pierce, Boutte
TE Kittle, Waller, Pitts, t kraft
K- nick folk , moody, Maher
Def- ravens, Giants
24 1st, 2 24 2nds, 3 24 3rds
All 25 picks
26 2nd, 26 3rd and 26 4th

Team 2 Sleeper-Superflex
QB a rich, Kyler, Cousins, Brissett
RB Bijan, Pacheco, jerrick McKinnon, Melvin Gordon, Hubbard, Jaylen Warren
Wr jsn, z flowers, Mike Evans, a cooper, aj brown, skyy moore, Pickens, Christian Watson, John metchie
TE Pitts, Goedert
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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby Oddball456 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:32 pm

Reject

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby tsarpepe » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:38 pm

Swift-ly reject? I see what you did there! (and agree)

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:39 pm

Lol decline...
JT > 6, 7, 11
JJ > Swift + 22 1st
Waller > 8 + 2nd

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby krtbuckeye » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:55 am

Very easy pass, and I really Swift, but not close here.
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10 Team SF, PPR, Roster: 33+2 IR+2 Taxi
Start: QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, SF, FLX (RB/WR), K, 2 DL, LB, 2 DB, 2 IDP FLX

**IDP scoring is TKL heavy (1.0 solo and asst), no QBH or TFL.**

QB: Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts
RB: Jahmyr Gibbs, D’Andre Swift, Jerome Ford, Khalil Herbert, Jaleel McLaughlin, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Isaiah Spiller, Chase Brown, Evan Hull (IR), Sean Tucker
WR: Amon-Ra St. Brown, DeVonta Smith, Tee Higgins, Jordan Addison, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Josh Palmer, Demario Douglas, Alec Pierce, Michael Wilson, Jalin Hyatt, Kayshon Boutte (Taxi)
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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby abloom » Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:16 am

Panthers357 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:31 pm Team 1 in my signature. 1 QB Half ppr 12 teams. Received Offer of 21 1.06, 1.07, 1.08, 1.11, probably late 22 1st, 22 2nd probably early and swift for my jt, Justin Jefferson and Waller. Guy says he thinks jt = 1.06, 1.07, 1.11, Jefferson = swift, 21 1.08, 22 1st and 2nd. First inclination is to swiftly reject. Thoughts?
This is not even close.
Now I'm going to cheat for a second. According to DLF trade analyzer (great tool!!) the analyzer grades the trade as relatively even. HOWEVER you are giving up 3 assetts for 7 assetts. This means that even if all the draft picks end up being startable assets you are still essentially behind by 4 starters.

So breaking this trade down a bit. Lets look at what you are actually getting. You are getting 4 first round picks in 2021. Who are you most likely going to be drafting in those spots? Well in a 1QB league with 0.5ppr I'm guessing the first 5 picks will be 3RBs (Harris, Etienne, Williams), 1TE (Pitts), 1WR (Chase). That means you get your choice of 3 WRs not named chase. Not bad, but you aren't getting a RB replacement for JT, and I think Swift is hurt more than JT in a 0.5PPR league. So can one of these guys turn into JJ? Maybe, but its not likely. So you're not going to be replacing JT or JJ. With Pitts likely off the board (and the fact that TEs usually take a bit to develop) you are not going to replace Waller either. If I'm on a competitive team, I'd rather have Waller than Pitts anyways. Lets take this one step further and pretend that First round draft picks have a 50/50 chance to hit. you're getting 4 WRs this year, so you would be getting 2 hits, add to that Swift and you have 3 hits. You're giving up not only 3 hits yourself, but possibly the RB1, WR1, and TE2 just to take a chance in breaking even.


Now there is one condition that I would consider making this trade, and that is if JT, JJ, and Waller are literally your only 3 assets on your team (and you have no draft picks). Given your team in signature this is certainly not the case and you should reject this without any thought.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, Fields, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens, wilson
T: Kelce, Goedert, Thomas, woods
D: cle, nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson, Browning, Rudolph, Zappe
R: Swift, Walker, Dobbins, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen, Nuk, Tre tucker, C Samuel,
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
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Team #5 4th
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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby smmcfarl » Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:51 am

Easy reject...giving up way too much talent for unproven rookie picks.
12 team league - 1.0 PPR - 6pt TD's
Start 1Qb, 2Rb, 2Wr, 1Te, 2Flex, 1SF

Prescott, Brissett, Watson, Geno Smith, Corral
Mixon, Damien Harris, Carter, Jamaal Williams, Hines, Sermon, Ingram
Chase, Hill, DJ Moore, D. Smith, Marvin Jones, Shenault, R. Moore
Hockenson, Higbee, Smith, Otton

2023(1,1,1,1,1,3,4,4)
2024(1,2,3,4)

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby MyTeam » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:01 am

You'd need picks in the top 5 to give up that much talent. No way I'd take it.
Team 1: 12 team, PPR
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex

Mahomes, Lawrence
Najee, Swift, Javonte, Jamaal W, Murray
DK, DJM, Juju, Jameson, Gallup, Van
Pitts, Friermuth
1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 1.12, 3.10, 2 firsts next year

Team 2: 12 Team, SF TEP (1.5 PPR)
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex, 1 SF

Mahomes, Burrow, Cousins, Rudolph
CEH, Swift, Gibson, Jacobs, Mattison, Scott, McFarland
DK, AJB, Ridley, McLaurin, Kupp, Landry, Mims, Hamler, Miller, Johnson, Robinson
Andrews, H. Henry, Sternberger, Alie-Cox, Herndon

Same as Team 2
Watson, Burrow, Lance, Z. Wilson
Pollard, Mattison
Chase, D. Smith, Boyd, Hardman, E. Moore, Cephus, A. Rodgers, Harry, Boykin, A. Tate, Miller
Hockenson, Thomas, Albert O, Njoku
3 additional firsts

Same as Team 2
TLaw, Burrow, Watson, Darnold
CEH, Gus, Cohen
Juju, Chark, Shenault, Boyd, Landry, Renfrow, Robinson,
Engram, Kmet, Firkser, Schultz, Arnold, Herndon
5 additional firsts

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby Mtt33 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:07 am

It’s not a terrible offer since Swift is in there, but piling on it’s not enough. Drop Swift and Taylor from the offer it’s close for me value wise, but only if you’re looking to gut your roster and rebuild, but I’m not sure of a great scenario for that unless, as someone else pointed out, your roster is trash outside of these 3 players.

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:24 am

Piling on, I would pass here.

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby jwb32 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:27 am

On paper, it's probably close. But you are giving up 3 certain studs and replacing them with dart throws. You'd need all the picks to hit just to break even.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09

TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04

TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
2022 1st, 2nd (2), 3rd (2)

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby Needalife » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:54 pm

This is dismantling all of the great young core of your team and fantastic players you hit on in the rookie draft to get a bunch of picks and hope they turn out half as good as JT/Jeff/Waller. NFW. Stay put.
14 TM / Devy / SuperFlex / TEP
1 Q / 2 RB / 2 WR / 1 TE / 1 SF / 3 F / 1 DT / 2 DE / 3 LB / 2 CB / 2 S / 1 F


QB: Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence
RB: Zamir White, Jaylen Warren, James Conner, Raheem Mostert
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Marquise Brown, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Aaron Donald, Grover Stewart, Devonte Wyatt
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon, Baron Browning
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Rayshawn Jenkins, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson
DEVY: RB Trey Benson FSU, RB Will Shipley Clemson
2024 DEVY DEPLETED PICKS: 1.03, 1.11, 1.13, 2.03, 2.05, 2.13, 3.01, 3.07, 3.10, 3.12, 4.03, 4.11, 4.15, 5.01, 5.13

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby murphysxm » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:59 pm

Very easy pass for me
I am just a guy sharing some thoughts

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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby Panthers357 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:35 pm

Other I received was James Robinson a 22 1st and 2nd for lamb but not sure that’s close either as I don’t see either first as likely to be in the top 3 next year
Team 1 Fleaflicker 12 Team Half PPR Start 9 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1TE, 1Flex RB, WR,TE 1Def, 1K
QB- A Rich , Stafford, Mac Jones, Minshew
RB- Taylor, Etienne, Ekeler, K Walker, Fournette, k miller, foreman, TDP
WR- ARSB, Adams, Evans, Marquise brown, Burks Gallup, Alec Pierce, Boutte
TE Kittle, Waller, Pitts, t kraft
K- nick folk , moody, Maher
Def- ravens, Giants
24 1st, 2 24 2nds, 3 24 3rds
All 25 picks
26 2nd, 26 3rd and 26 4th

Team 2 Sleeper-Superflex
QB a rich, Kyler, Cousins, Brissett
RB Bijan, Pacheco, jerrick McKinnon, Melvin Gordon, Hubbard, Jaylen Warren
Wr jsn, z flowers, Mike Evans, a cooper, aj brown, skyy moore, Pickens, Christian Watson, John metchie
TE Pitts, Goedert
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Re: Offer I received for jt, Jefferson and Waller

Postby abloom » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:14 pm

Panthers357 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:35 pm Other I received was James Robinson a 22 1st and 2nd for lamb but not sure that’s close either as I don’t see either first as likely to be in the top 3 next year
Pass. Lamb could easily be a top 3 wr value end of season.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, Fields, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens, wilson
T: Kelce, Goedert, Thomas, woods
D: cle, nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson, Browning, Rudolph, Zappe
R: Swift, Walker, Dobbins, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen, Nuk, Tre tucker, C Samuel,
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
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Team #5 4th
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