How to value Kittle?

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How to value Kittle?

Postby Londondynasty » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:30 am

Team 3. PPR, 1 TE league.

I have Kittle and Waller. Also Ertz who seems to have dropped off. Big positional advantage.

A divisional rival (knocked me out in the semis last year, although the divisions are getting randomly relocated next year), wants Kittle. TE is his main weak spot.

His main pieces are Prescott, Taylor, Swift, Gibson, Aiyuk, Davis, Jefferson. His starting TE is Logan Thomas.

He made an atrocious offer. How far apart are Kittle and Taylor? Not saying 1 for 1, but positional scarcity is greater at TE and with 2 of the top 3 I am basically dominant there and have a few years over the Kelce owner.

Thoughts? Cheers.
Team 1: Superflex PPR. 35 keeper. 1 qb, 1 Superflex, 2 rb, 2wr, 4 flex, 1 te
QB: Rodgers, Allen, Lance, M.White, Bridgwater
RB: Fournette, Pollard, Chubb, Dillon, C-Patt, J.Cook, K.William, JRob
WR: Adams, Keenan Allen, Evans, Mooney, Juju, Corey Davis, G.Davis, Van Jefferson, Chark, Atwell
TE: Kelce, Waller, Tonyan, Brate, Taysom

Team 2. PPR. 14 teamer. 1qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 2 wr/rb, 1 wr/te 1 te, k, p, various IDP
QB: Hurts, Ryan, Watson
RB: Barkley, Mixon, CEH, Penny, Gibson, Hunt
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WR: Hill, Adams, Chase, Brown, Toney, Chark, Gage, Campbell, OBJ, Reagor, Mims, Marshall, Wandale, Bell,
TE: Kittle, Waller, Henry, Njoku

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Re: How to value Kittle?

Postby krtbuckeye » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:41 am

Even with positional scarcity, and the advantage that having 2/3 top guys gives you at TE (not to mention keeping it from another league mate), I’d take Taylor over Kittle by an early-mid 1st value. Even in 14 team, I think it should take a seriously valuable piece to move off of Taylor for Kittle.
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Start: QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, SF, FLX (RB/WR), K, 2 DL, LB, 2 DB, 2 IDP FLX

**IDP scoring is TKL heavy (1.0 solo and asst), no QBH or TFL.**

QB: Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts
RB: Jahmyr Gibbs, D’Andre Swift, Jerome Ford, Khalil Herbert, Jaleel McLaughlin, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Isaiah Spiller, Chase Brown, Evan Hull (IR), Sean Tucker
WR: Amon-Ra St. Brown, DeVonta Smith, Tee Higgins, Jordan Addison, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Josh Palmer, Demario Douglas, Alec Pierce, Michael Wilson, Jalin Hyatt, Kayshon Boutte (Taxi)
TE: Sam LaPorta, Trey McBride
K: Jake Elliott
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Re: How to value Kittle?

Postby srlarson » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:48 am

your qb's need help....it would take an overpay to get him....since you can play both...even more if any kind of te premium...
Empire 10 team 30man rosters QB, 2rb, 3Wr, TE, 2F, K (.5ppr RB's, ppr WR/TE)
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Empire 12 team SF 30man rosters - QB, 2rb, 2wr, te, sf, Rb/Wr/Te flex, 2Rb/Wr Flex
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QB - Prescott, Cousins, M Jones, C. Rush
RB - JT, Chubb, J Cook, Hunt, Penny, Patterson, Foreman, Davis-Price, Henderson, Patterson
WR - Diggs, M Thomas, Gallup, K Phillips, Goodwin, Hollins, C Moore, raymond, reynolds, D robinson, J Watson
TE - Ertz, Brate, McBride, Akins, Gray
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Re: How to value Kittle?

Postby abloom » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:24 am

who are his other QBs?
You aren't going to be getting JT from him. He's also a competative team, you aren't likely giong to get key pieces from him.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, Fields, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens, wilson
T: Kelce, Goedert, Thomas, woods
D: cle, nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson, Browning, Rudolph, Zappe
R: Swift, Walker, Dobbins, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen, Nuk, Tre tucker, C Samuel,
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

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14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

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Re: How to value Kittle?

Postby Londondynasty » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:27 am

srlarson wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:48 am your qb's need help....it would take an overpay to get him....since you can play both...even more if any kind of te premium...
They do need help. I'm intending to address qb in the draft
Team 1: Superflex PPR. 35 keeper. 1 qb, 1 Superflex, 2 rb, 2wr, 4 flex, 1 te
QB: Rodgers, Allen, Lance, M.White, Bridgwater
RB: Fournette, Pollard, Chubb, Dillon, C-Patt, J.Cook, K.William, JRob
WR: Adams, Keenan Allen, Evans, Mooney, Juju, Corey Davis, G.Davis, Van Jefferson, Chark, Atwell
TE: Kelce, Waller, Tonyan, Brate, Taysom

Team 2. PPR. 14 teamer. 1qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 2 wr/rb, 1 wr/te 1 te, k, p, various IDP
QB: Hurts, Ryan, Watson
RB: Barkley, Mixon, CEH, Penny, Gibson, Hunt
Rhamondre
WR: Hill, Adams, Chase, Brown, Toney, Chark, Gage, Campbell, OBJ, Reagor, Mims, Marshall, Wandale, Bell,
TE: Kittle, Waller, Henry, Njoku

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Re: How to value Kittle?

Postby Gator Sens » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:47 am

QB looks to be a need as others have mentioned and to help with the original question, Kittle + an early ish 1st might get close to Taylor. This offseason Taylor will be very pricey.

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Re: How to value Kittle?

Postby Mtt33 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:28 am

I’m not a fan of countering terrible offers. Maybe it’s just many years of playing in home leagues where everyone is afraid to make an offer but if he wants kittle he should make the first real offer. Sending a bad offer is his way of getting you to send the first real offer for a guy he wants.

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Re: How to value Kittle?

Postby Anteaters » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:54 am

I don't see a natural fit if your target is JT. Maybe Kittle+Mixon+Chark for JT+Logan+??.

If the other guy has a contending team, it makes sense for him to prefer the combo of JT+Logan over Kittle+promote a sometimes flex player into his starting lineup. If those are his only good WR, maybe you could slip a WR into the mix. To make it work, you need to ship back some RB help if he doesn't have anyone suitable on his roster. I put Mixon in there, but you should probably start with RoJo and see if he accepts that.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Tre Tucker, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
IR: Mike Williams (WR), Joey Bosa (DL)
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TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: How to value Kittle?

Postby tsarpepe » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:39 am

Without a TE premium, I would want a high 1st on top of Kittle, which would put me in play for Najee/ETN


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