Thoughts on potential trade offer

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Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby tom14cat14 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:38 pm

Owner and I have talked a few times and I threw this idea out as a maybe.

Give: LJax, Barkley
Get: Burrow, M. Sanders, 1.03, 1.13 (extra toilet bowl pick)

This is a 12 team SF, TE premium, bestball, 30 man roster.

My team highlights (loose term)

Ljax, Lock, Mitch, Tua
Barkley, Swift, JK
Juju, Sutton, Jeudy, Reagor, Crowder, P. Williams
Gesicki, Smith Jr.

I have no picks until 3rd rd. I traded all my picks in startup and flopped to 1.02 finish. So I am trying to figure out a way to cash out high on Barkley and Ljax while adding top prospect depth. I appreciate any thoughts. I am very torn on what to do.

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby Gator Sens » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:02 pm

In a best ball format, I would hold. Jackson is worth a good deal in SF and will have some huge weeks in this format. The same can be said for Barkley. I think you are giving up too much blow up factor here.

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby krtbuckeye » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:51 am

If I were more a believer in Sanders I would like this deal more. But this is too light a return for me, even in SF BB, for both Jackson and Barkley. I would rather roll with what you have and make a deal later after a value rebound for Barkley, if you move him at all.
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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby Zhoward88 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:45 am

krtbuckeye wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:51 am If I were more a believer in Sanders I would like this deal more. But this is too light a return for me, even in SF BB, for both Jackson and Barkley. I would rather roll with what you have and make a deal later after a value rebound for Barkley, if you move him at all.
Not a believer in sanders but a believer in Barkley? Not sure why everyone is so strong on these stances. Sanders putting up good YPC (5+) and big plays while on the worst team in the league last year. And at the same time Barkley yet again sitting on the sideline not helping anyone’s roster. I’d take burrow/sanders and the picks here if you like the draft position it gives you. Barkley isn’t even for sure going to be ready for the start of the season.
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Start 1 QB 6 pt passing TD, 2 RBs, 3 WR, 1 flex, 1 TE.

QBs- Dak P
RBs- miles sanders, CEH, Najee Harris, Antonio gibson, James robinson, Boston Scott, qadree ollison, eno Benjamin, Sony michel, kerryon Johnson, gerrid Doaks, Larry rountree,
WRs- Brandon aiyuk, shenault, Adam thielen, Antonio brown, kadarius Toney, Jacobi Meyers, Dwayne eskridge, jalen Darden.

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby Zhoward88 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:40 am

I also believe burrow is the better QB here especially down the road. So it’s an easy decision to me.
10 team league....16 offensive keepers selected by April first. 28 man rosters during the season. 1 keeper defense and 1 keeper kicker.

.5 ppr, TE premium +.5, .2 return yards, big play bonuses, 4 team playoffs and 2 week super bowl (wk 15,16).
Start 1 QB 6 pt passing TD, 2 RBs, 3 WR, 1 flex, 1 TE.

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RBs- miles sanders, CEH, Najee Harris, Antonio gibson, James robinson, Boston Scott, qadree ollison, eno Benjamin, Sony michel, kerryon Johnson, gerrid Doaks, Larry rountree,
WRs- Brandon aiyuk, shenault, Adam thielen, Antonio brown, kadarius Toney, Jacobi Meyers, Dwayne eskridge, jalen Darden.

TEs- Goedert, fant, Hayden hurst, Dan Arnold, Donald parham
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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby CGW » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:49 am

Pretty fair trade. Comes down to if you like the prospect at 1.03 enough to downgrade Lamar and Barkley in bestball format.

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby smmcfarl » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:51 am

Value is probably about fair for both sides but in BB I would hold Jackson/Barkley
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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby tom14cat14 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:54 am

Zhoward88 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:40 am I also believe burrow is the better QB here especially down the road. So it’s an easy decision to me.
This is one reason I am considering this. Ljax has huge upside and is great as a fantasy QB right now, but I am a little nervous that he will never develop as a passer like Allen did this year. Burrow's numbers were only that of an avg QB. 4 points less then Ljax and only 2 more pts then Mitch on a pts per week avg. Of course he was a rookie with a bad O line so he for sure has room to grow. And as you pointed out Barkley is hurt a lot. Sanders has had is own issues too so it would be spreading out the risk by getting the rookie picks. But it is hard to give up 2 top tier players.

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby Zhoward88 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:24 am

tom14cat14 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:54 am
Zhoward88 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:40 am I also believe burrow is the better QB here especially down the road. So it’s an easy decision to me.
This is one reason I am considering this. Ljax has huge upside and is great as a fantasy QB right now, but I am a little nervous that he will never develop as a passer like Allen did this year. Burrow's numbers were only that of an avg QB. 4 points less then Ljax and only 2 more pts then Mitch on a pts per week avg. Of course he was a rookie with a bad O line so he for sure has room to grow. And as you pointed out Barkley is hurt a lot. Sanders has had is own issues too so it would be spreading out the risk by getting the rookie picks. But it is hard to give up 2 top tier players.
I’d be moving all shares of Barkley I could right now. He produced like no other as a rookie. He’s not even close to a rookie anymore. Get the best deal possible for Barkley and move forward is my take. I can’t believe he’s still garnering the value he is. He could go out this year and have 890 yards and 4 TDs and then what? Even if he has a RB1 season....the wear and tear is real. You will be getting low ball offers regardless of what he does after this season I believe.
10 team league....16 offensive keepers selected by April first. 28 man rosters during the season. 1 keeper defense and 1 keeper kicker.

.5 ppr, TE premium +.5, .2 return yards, big play bonuses, 4 team playoffs and 2 week super bowl (wk 15,16).
Start 1 QB 6 pt passing TD, 2 RBs, 3 WR, 1 flex, 1 TE.

QBs- Dak P
RBs- miles sanders, CEH, Najee Harris, Antonio gibson, James robinson, Boston Scott, qadree ollison, eno Benjamin, Sony michel, kerryon Johnson, gerrid Doaks, Larry rountree,
WRs- Brandon aiyuk, shenault, Adam thielen, Antonio brown, kadarius Toney, Jacobi Meyers, Dwayne eskridge, jalen Darden.

TEs- Goedert, fant, Hayden hurst, Dan Arnold, Donald parham
Kicker- koo

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby CGW » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:31 am

Zhoward88 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:24 am
tom14cat14 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:54 am
Zhoward88 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:40 am I also believe burrow is the better QB here especially down the road. So it’s an easy decision to me.
This is one reason I am considering this. Ljax has huge upside and is great as a fantasy QB right now, but I am a little nervous that he will never develop as a passer like Allen did this year. Burrow's numbers were only that of an avg QB. 4 points less then Ljax and only 2 more pts then Mitch on a pts per week avg. Of course he was a rookie with a bad O line so he for sure has room to grow. And as you pointed out Barkley is hurt a lot. Sanders has had is own issues too so it would be spreading out the risk by getting the rookie picks. But it is hard to give up 2 top tier players.
I’d be moving all shares of Barkley I could right now. He produced like no other as a rookie. He’s not even close to a rookie anymore. Get the best deal possible for Barkley and move forward is my take. I can’t believe he’s still garnering the value he is. He could go out this year and have 890 yards and 4 TDs and then what? Even if he has a RB1 season....the wear and tear is real. You will be getting low ball offers regardless of what he does after this season I believe.
Counter point, he comes back and plays at the elite level of his rookie season. I'm also a seller of Barkley, but his theres the potential his value could absolutely skyrocket just as easily as fall. Talent wise, hes the best runningback we've seen in years and that upside is worth something.

He will only be 25 next season, less than a year older than Miles in this trade scenario.

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby ravn88 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:37 am

What is the difference in Best Ball format?
Team 1 : 1QB 2RB 3 WR 1TE 1Flex 1K 1TM 2 IR 12 Keepers

QB: Carson Wentz, P. Mahomes
RB: A. Jones, MGIII, Dobbins, L. Bell, Ingram, J Williams & Gaskin
WR: D. Hopkins, J. Jones, K. Allen, J Crowder, Humpries & Agolor
TE: E. Engram, Trey Burton, V Davis & J. Doyle

Team 2: 1QB 1 SF 3RB 5WR 2TE 2FLEX DEF 26 Keepers 2019 Champ :thumbup: 2020 third place

QB: J. Allen Wentz Watson D. Lock.
RB: Barkley Zeke CEH J. Robinson D. Freeman Penny
WR: M. Thomas Cooper Godwin Juju J. Washington Renfrow, Jeudy, R. Moore TreQuan, P. Williams
TE: Waller Engram OJH & Everett
DEF: Pats & Browns

Team 3: 1QB 1SF 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX DEF K

QB: Wilson Wentz Tannehill Brees Haskins Foles
RB: CMC Zeke Miles CEH AP J. Jackson B. Scott
WR: Evans Adams Landry Metcalf E. Sanders Lazard
TE: Engram Hurts Ebron Herndon

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby tom14cat14 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:51 am

I also have to say these 2 are difficult to trade because I am not huge on trading only for picks, I would like at least some showing from player like sanders and burrow. But I also have very few who are even willing to consider buying there players. Swift owner said the offer I send him was fair and in submit league he would do but he wants the extra pick I asked for because he wants the depth. A concern is that I am only trading to same age players and picks are the only make up for difference in level of play. Of course 1.03 is a huge value but I personally think I would either go QB or WR. Not sure I am sold on the RB's from this class. There is an owner who has a lot of the mid 1st picks but he doesnt want to trade for either player. I would consider flipping the 1.03 in some deal to get the 1.05, 1.06 because I am interested in the WR and if Wilson is there I grab Wilson and a WR.

Sorry for the long winded post probably going in circles.

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby tom14cat14 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:55 am

ravn88 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:37 am What is the difference in Best Ball format?
Best ball just makes your best lineup for the week based on starting req. So there are a few different beliefs on lineup builds. 1 is get studs say at RB and limited depth behind them and then toss a ton of WR depth with guys that could go off any week because you do not have to guess which week to start them. (You can flip positions just used rb as example).

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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

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Zhoward88 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:45 am
krtbuckeye wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:51 am If I were more a believer in Sanders I would like this deal more. But this is too light a return for me, even in SF BB, for both Jackson and Barkley. I would rather roll with what you have and make a deal later after a value rebound for Barkley, if you move him at all.
Not a believer in sanders but a believer in Barkley? Not sure why everyone is so strong on these stances. Sanders putting up good YPC (5+) and big plays while on the worst team in the league last year. And at the same time Barkley yet again sitting on the sideline not helping anyone’s roster. I’d take burrow/sanders and the picks here if you like the draft position it gives you. Barkley isn’t even for sure going to be ready for the start of the season.
Sanders has never been, and doesn't look capable of, being given a true workhorse RB role. Besides being a terrible on-field product, Philly is also fairly dysfunctional overall. Their HC hire looks speculative at best, no disrespect to Sirianni, so not sure that weighs in Sanders' favor.

As far as Barkley goes, I think its tough to find too many people that don't still view him as a generational talent RB. You're assertion that he was just sitting on the sidelines not helping anyone's team, especially given that statistical comparison on Sanders given just before, makes it sound as if Barkley was benched. A torn ACL will put you on the sidelines for the year and is a real threat to wipe out any RB's season. Even if Barkley isn't ready to go at the beginning of the season, that's still no reason to sell him low in dynasty.

Barkley produced out of his mind as a rookie, had an underwhelming nagging injury campaign on a dumpster fire offense (to which the team has been active in improving the o-line since), and tears an ACL in year 3. The reason he still garners the value he does is because his value is more likely to go through the roof when he comes back vs bottoming out.

I'm not anti-Sanders in all circumstances, but we're talking about giving 2 very high ceiling players here in SF best ball who also can produce consistent floors. I just wouldn't be willing to give up that much ceiling for this package.

So yes, within the context of this deal, I would need to like Sanders more than I currently do in order to do this deal.
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Re: Thoughts on potential trade offer

Postby tom14cat14 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:43 pm

krtbuckeye wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:31 pm
Zhoward88 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:45 am
krtbuckeye wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:51 am If I were more a believer in Sanders I would like this deal more. But this is too light a return for me, even in SF BB, for both Jackson and Barkley. I would rather roll with what you have and make a deal later after a value rebound for Barkley, if you move him at all.
Not a believer in sanders but a believer in Barkley? Not sure why everyone is so strong on these stances. Sanders putting up good YPC (5+) and big plays while on the worst team in the league last year. And at the same time Barkley yet again sitting on the sideline not helping anyone’s roster. I’d take burrow/sanders and the picks here if you like the draft position it gives you. Barkley isn’t even for sure going to be ready for the start of the season.
Sanders has never been, and doesn't look capable of, being given a true workhorse RB role. Besides being a terrible on-field product, Philly is also fairly dysfunctional overall. Their HC hire looks speculative at best, no disrespect to Sirianni, so not sure that weighs in Sanders' favor.

As far as Barkley goes, I think its tough to find too many people that don't still view him as a generational talent RB. You're assertion that he was just sitting on the sidelines not helping anyone's team, especially given that statistical comparison on Sanders given just before, makes it sound as if Barkley was benched. A torn ACL will put you on the sidelines for the year and is a real threat to wipe out any RB's season. Even if Barkley isn't ready to go at the beginning of the season, that's still no reason to sell him low in dynasty.

Barkley produced out of his mind as a rookie, had an underwhelming nagging injury campaign on a dumpster fire offense (to which the team has been active in improving the o-line since), and tears an ACL in year 3. The reason he still garners the value he does is because his value is more likely to go through the roof when he comes back vs bottoming out.

I'm not anti-Sanders in all circumstances, but we're talking about giving 2 very high ceiling players here in SF best ball who also can produce consistent floors. I just wouldn't be willing to give up that much ceiling for this package.

So yes, within the context of this deal, I would need to like Sanders more than I currently do in order to do this deal.
Thx for your input. It looks like there are people on both sides which is nice that I am not crazy about if I would do this. I have been reluctant to send the offer because I am with you on this. I am not willing to sell Barkley at any major Discount. Top 10 price for both. Sanders is definitely not my top target at RB. But currently the best way to get 2 starters back and picks.

Burrow is a much better passer then Ljax which means he will probably be able to stay strong QB for longer. But he doesnt have the upside of Ljax (at least appears that way) Same with Barkley vs Sanders. But adding 1 of Fields, Harris, Chase plus whoever at 1.13 might make up for the drop but it is risky IMO. Hmmm


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