Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

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Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:03 pm

My buddy is in a league with me (Team 2 in signature) and mismanaged the hell out of it early on. He's looking to rebuild but is struggling to find trade partners

He's wants to load up on 1sts in future years but doesn't have a great deal of assets worth 1sts
- Russell Wilson
- Darren Waller
- Tyler Lockett (?)
- Michael Gallup (?) - he seems to want rid of Gallup, doesn't really believe in him
- Antonio Gibson - (not selling)

We'd been talking about a Waller trade and it got bigger and bigger lol

He agreed to the following trade:

Engram + Mooney + 3.02 + 2022 1st + 2022 2nd
for
Waller + James White + 2.02

Trade calculators have it even, some even have his side significantly more valuable. But that's not factoring in that my 2022 picks will likely be late. The main piece in question here would be the 2.02, I feel like that could be a good asset for his rebuild

The trade would help me, but I also don't want to stunt his rebuild.

Fair deal or should I look to restructure?
i.e. - would it make sense to swap Gallup since he wants out on him?

Maybe I'm overthinking and it's actually a good deal for a rebuild? idk
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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off?

Postby krtbuckeye » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:08 pm

I think the value is on the Waller side, but overall, it's not terrible. I think he could get a better return for Waller, but no need for you to satellite manage his rebuild for him. If he agreed to the deal, I'd take it and wouldn't feel bad. I'd rather have Gallup than White though, but if you feel like that pushes it too far your way I get that.
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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off?

Postby CGW » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:09 pm

In fairness, the 2.02 probably needs to be removed from the Waller side. This is basically Waller for a future 1st and a bunch of dimes.

That said, I play to win so cant fault you for getting the best possible deal! :lol:

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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby DonBrazi » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:40 pm

The 2022 1st and 2.02 are basically a wash, to me. So it's Engram and scraps for Waller.. Mostly a rip off.. even if the 'value' trade calculators (why on Earth people trust those, I'll never know) show is fairly even.
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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:48 pm

The 2.02 on top of Waller+ sticks out to me as making the deal a bit lopsided. If you want to keep the deal as far as possible with all the pieces involved, I would remove the 2.02.

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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:51 pm

DonBrazi wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:40 pm The 2022 1st and 2.02 are basically a wash, to me. So it's Engram and scraps for Waller.. Mostly a rip off.. even if the 'value' trade calculators (why on Earth people trust those, I'll never know) show is fairly even.
I think the good ones can give a solid baseline of value and prevent lopsided trades, but to your point, there are so many out there that you can usually find one to fit your narrative lol

But yeah I agree. the 1st & 2.02 are a wash
I might scrap the 2.02 and 3.02 altogether

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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby Bubba90 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:54 pm

There are no friends in fantasy football....lol

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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby jwb32 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:55 pm

2022 1st + Engram (or Mooney) + 3.02 for Waller. Win-Win.
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RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:06 pm

jwb32 wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:55 pm 2022 1st + Engram (or Mooney) + 3.02 for Waller. Win-Win.
I like this

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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:07 pm

Prison_Mike wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:06 pm
jwb32 wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:55 pm 2022 1st + Engram (or Mooney) + 3.02 for Waller. Win-Win.
I like this
Fair offer

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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby Never Veto1 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:51 pm

First of all where’d everyone get their crystal balls at cause it’s impossible to tell where picks a year from now will fall.

Second, if your friends team is as bad as you think, than you should be convincing them to trade Gibson now while his value is high, odds are by the time his team can compete Gibson’s value will be trending down.

As for the trade, a 2021 1st should be enough for Waller in a non TE premium, but feel free to throw him a little extra if you want, especially if you have a little extra to give. But I generally only do that in my keeper league where consolidation of assets is a must.
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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby Adam_172 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:07 am

Gimme gimme gimme Waller
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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:10 am

Never Veto wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:51 pm First of all where’d everyone get their crystal balls at cause it’s impossible to tell where picks a year from now will fall.

Second, if your friends team is as bad as you think, than you should be convincing them to trade Gibson now while his value is high, odds are by the time his team can compete Gibson’s value will be trending down.

As for the trade, a 2021 1st should be enough for Waller in a non TE premium, but feel free to throw him a little extra if you want, especially if you have a little extra to give. But I generally only do that in my keeper league where consolidation of assets is a must.
Not saying it's a lock, just talking about likelihood. My team is definitely a contender and the pick is likely to be late. But I get it, anything can happen

Yeah, I've told him to sell Gibson (and all RBs) lol. I'll be continuing to tell him through the offseason

I ended up trading Engram + '22 1st + A.Miller + 3.02 for Waller + James White + Damien Williams

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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby topher » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:14 am

I am lower on Waller and higher on Engram than the avg person, so for me, I actually like his side more.

I see Engram + 2022 1st washes out with Engram + 2.02.....so that means he is selling you White for 3.02 + 2022 2nd + Mooney. I'll take that any day. Even if I wash out the 2022 2nd with the earlier stuff, I would still rather have Mooney and 3.02 over White.

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Re: Would I be ripping my friend off? (trade)

Postby killer_of_giants » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:46 am

Bubba90 wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:54 pm There are no friends in fantasy football....lol
you're wrong here: there are friends, and it's a lot more satisfying when you manage to fleece them!


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