Ridley v Tee Higgins +

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Tee Higgins + 1.13
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Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Adam_172 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:32 am

Which side for you guys?

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QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
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WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Madadamus » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:43 am

Fair value here. Ridley is the proven asset, so I think he holds a slight edge for the best player premium. I really like Higgins too. It would depend on my build honestly. If I was a strong contender, I think it's a cheap price to upgrade to a WR1 for the next few years.

On the flip side, Higgins is about 4 years younger and has just as much or more upside with Burrow. If I wasn't a top 2-3 team in the league, I'd take the package. Good chance Mac goes before 1.13 in a 16 team, so you are looking at getting Waddle, Moore, or Batemen there which is a solid add to a WR core.
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WR: T. Higgins, M. Evans, B. Aiyuk, C. Watson, K. Toney, M. Thomas, C. Ridley, C. Davis, J. Reagor
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RB: C. McCaffrey, A. Kamara, E. Elliott, J. Dobbin, J. Mixon, A. Mattison, J. White, L. Bell
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Adam_172 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:04 am

Madadamus wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:43 am Fair value here. Ridley is the proven asset, so I think he holds a slight edge for the best player premium. I really like Higgins too. It would depend on my build honestly. If I was a strong contender, I think it's a cheap price to upgrade to a WR1 for the next few years.

On the flip side, Higgins is about 4 years younger and has just as much or more upside with Burrow. If I wasn't a top 2-3 team in the league, I'd take the package. Good chance Mac goes before 1.13 in a 16 team, so you are looking at getting Waddle, Moore, or Batemen there which is a solid add to a WR core.
I came 4th last year but my team is weak so wasn't good for me moving forward!

QB: Dak, Teddy B
RB: Monty, Singletary, Lindsay, Cohen, McKinnon
WR: Adams, Higgins, Edelman, Slayton
TE: Henry, I. Thomas

I'm desperate for help at RB and QB so the 1.13 may help but no decent QB's will be there and who knows what RB's so not sure if to pick up Ridley and flip for an RB.
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TE - Ferguson, Mayer, Knox.
DEF - Bills, Vikings.

Rookie Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02 and 5.02.


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QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
RB - Walker III, R. White, Montgomery, Singletary, R. Jones, Mack, Hull, Sermon.
WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
TE - McBride, H. Henry, B. Jordan, Bates, B. Hopkins.

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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Madadamus » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:15 am

Adam_172 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:04 am I came 4th last year but my team is weak so wasn't good for me moving forward!

QB: Dak, Teddy B
RB: Monty, Singletary, Lindsay, Cohen, McKinnon
WR: Adams, Higgins, Edelman, Slayton
TE: Henry, I. Thomas

I'm desperate for help at RB and QB so the 1.13 may help but no decent QB's will be there and who knows what RB's so not sure if to pick up Ridley and flip for an RB.
Higgins is starting to gain a lot of value. I would hold Higgins and the 1.13 for now, because that pick is only going to grow. You could sit on the clock and someone might come hot for that pick since it could be ending a tier for many. I would probably hold, but you can also try to get Jacobs or CEH with Higgins alone. I don't think any Swift/Dobbins/Akers owners are going to sell for Ridley though, so the package might be more attractive to others.
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WR: T. Higgins, M. Evans, B. Aiyuk, C. Watson, K. Toney, M. Thomas, C. Ridley, C. Davis, J. Reagor
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RB: C. McCaffrey, A. Kamara, E. Elliott, J. Dobbin, J. Mixon, A. Mattison, J. White, L. Bell
WR: D. Moore, J. Jeudy, O. Beckham Jr., C. Claypool, C. Davis. D. Parker, L. Fitzgerald, B. Perriman, W. Snead
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Adam_172 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:26 am

Madadamus wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:15 am
Adam_172 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:04 am I came 4th last year but my team is weak so wasn't good for me moving forward!

QB: Dak, Teddy B
RB: Monty, Singletary, Lindsay, Cohen, McKinnon
WR: Adams, Higgins, Edelman, Slayton
TE: Henry, I. Thomas

I'm desperate for help at RB and QB so the 1.13 may help but no decent QB's will be there and who knows what RB's so not sure if to pick up Ridley and flip for an RB.
Higgins is starting to gain a lot of value. I would hold Higgins and the 1.13 for now, because that pick is only going to grow. You could sit on the clock and someone might come hot for that pick since it could be ending a tier for many. I would probably hold, but you can also try to get Jacobs or CEH with Higgins alone. I don't think any Swift/Dobbins/Akers owners are going to sell for Ridley though, so the package might be more attractive to others.
I'm high on Higgins but you think he is = to Jacobs? I wouldn't have thought anyone would do that trade.
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QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
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WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Madadamus » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:28 am

Jacobs carries more value right now, but the gap is closing. I like Jacobs too, but his value is on a slight downwards trend and Higgins is on the upswing. I wouldn't be surprised to see them moved in deals for one another in the coming months.
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Anteaters » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:31 am

Ridley is far more proven, has a higher floor, and a higher realistic ceiling. Ridley has proven he is a super WR2 in the NFL, and has proven he is a WR1 in the NFL that can produce top5 fantasy stats.

Higgins had a good rookie season that indicates he might be a fine WR2 in the NFL, with a decent floor, and a possible ceiling as a WR1 in the NFL, who has proven he can produce fantasy WR stats in the 25-35 range.

We don't really know if Higgins can ever be a true NFL WR1, much less a fantasy WR1. I think the most realistic outcome for Higgins is that he ends up being Tyler Boyd, a player who can play the part of an NFL WR1 in a pinch, but who will never be a true fantasy WR1. Yes, there is possible upside for more, but that's not yet proven.

To me, the difference between Ridley's proof and Higgins' potential is worth more than 1.13, even in SF. It might be different if Ridley was 30, but he's still young.

I'm completely on the Ridley side of this trade.
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby krtbuckeye » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:38 am

I have Ridley>Higgins, but close enough to each other (pretty high on both) that I wouldn’t add 1.13 to Higgins in a 16 team.

I also doubt Ridley would net one of the top young RBs in a flip. If RB is the ultimate goal, I’d go a different route than Higgins/1.13 for Ridley then a flip. Heck, I don’t even know that I’d give Higgins/1.13 for one of the RBs depending on build in a 16 teamer.
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Madadamus » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:45 am

I know it's a lot of if's, but if you take out Higgins' first two weeks where his snap counts were limited, and the final week where Burrow was hurt, Higgins was WR11 during that time period. On an average per game basis, he averaged just shy of 17 points per game. If you extrapolate that out a full season, he would be WR8, less then 2 points per game behind Ridley.

This was all done as a rookie with a rookie QB on a pretty bad team. If they continue to grow, I think the ceiling is actually higher then Ridley.
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby CGW » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:58 am

If your end goal is an RB, offer around Higgins and a 1st for Akers or Dobbins. Higgins is going 4th round startup pick while the RBs are 3rd round. If a 1st isn't enough, look at Gibson, Jacobs, and Sanders who are also 4th rounders. All that said, I'm not sure you should be looking at RBs.

Your team doesn't really look like a strong competitor in SF unless you manage to hit several pieces in the draft. I'd keep Higgins and the pick, and possibly starting looking at offers for both Adams and Monty.

Of course, all of this is pending league/lineup settings since we dont really know much of that. Starting requirements and settings would help.

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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Gator Sens » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:50 am

CGW wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:58 am If your end goal is an RB, offer around Higgins and a 1st for Akers or Dobbins. Higgins is going 4th round startup pick while the RBs are 3rd round. If a 1st isn't enough, look at Gibson, Jacobs, and Sanders who are also 4th rounders. All that said, I'm not sure you should be looking at RBs.

Your team doesn't really look like a strong competitor in SF unless you manage to hit several pieces in the draft. I'd keep Higgins and the pick, and possibly starting looking at offers for both Adams and Monty.

Of course, all of this is pending league/lineup settings since we dont really know much of that. Starting requirements and settings would help.
x2 - if you are looking for a RB, offering Higgins + the 1st to the right manager should hold solid value. Higgins will be a hot name this offseason and I see his value going up as we get closer to the draft and the start of 2021 if there are no good options to be found currently. Going back to the op, I would hold Ridley, but Ridley is a top 7 WR for me.

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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Adam_172 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:56 am

Thanks guys.

I hold the Higgins side currently.

I am very tempted but had no many offers for Higgins so clearly he's a hot commodity.

I would rather sell him + for an RB than trade for Ridley then look to move him as well. Hard to turn down Ridley though as much as I love Higgins lol.
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WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby pmart33 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:07 pm

Higgin and Ridley are probably closer in my eyes than most peoples, so I'd take Higgins and 1.13 easily.
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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby Oddball456 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:13 pm

Madadamus wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:45 am I know it's a lot of if's, but if you take out Higgins' first two weeks where his snap counts were limited, and the final week where Burrow was hurt, Higgins was WR11 during that time period. On an average per game basis, he averaged just shy of 17 points per game. If you extrapolate that out a full season, he would be WR8, less then 2 points per game behind Ridley.

This was all done as a rookie with a rookie QB on a pretty bad team. If they continue to grow, I think the ceiling is actually higher then Ridley.
Plus Higgins is 4 years younger and there are plenty of questions marks about the Falcons and Matty Ice moving forward. I think it is 50/50 which WR scores more fantasy points in 2021.

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Re: Ridley v Tee Higgins +

Postby topher » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:21 pm

Ridley is the more valuable piece, but it is not by much in my opinion. Higgins 4 years younger and put up a really nice rookie season only having Burrows for half of it. In a SF league I'm taking the Higgins side, that pick can still net a solid non QB


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