I was offered Tyreek Hill for Courtland Sutton, Tee Higgins, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd. Both pick probably late.
That would make my WRs Adams, Tyreek, Hopkins, Metcalf. Evans.
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Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
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Re: Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
I am passing, but I LOVE Higgins and still have a personal disdain for Hill
I am just a guy sharing some thoughts
Re: Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
Interesting idea. That would make for quite the WR room.
I guess I'll play devil's advocate though for passing on this trade:
Hopkins is closing in on 29 years old. Adams is 28. Evans is 27 and Hill is almost 27. There is maybe a case to keep Sutton (25) and Higgins (22) as a way of age diversification.
I'm sure there will be many replies with "Go for the title!" and rightly so. But in 2 years you'd have a key chunk of your team reaching age 30 at the same time.
I guess I'll play devil's advocate though for passing on this trade:
Hopkins is closing in on 29 years old. Adams is 28. Evans is 27 and Hill is almost 27. There is maybe a case to keep Sutton (25) and Higgins (22) as a way of age diversification.
I'm sure there will be many replies with "Go for the title!" and rightly so. But in 2 years you'd have a key chunk of your team reaching age 30 at the same time.
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Re: Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
Fair deal and depending on the payout I would do the deal but I don't see it helping a ton considering the price tag. That said, I would counter Hopkins and a 2022 first. Might even settle on Hopkins and Sutton for Hill and a 2nd.
Higgins has a lot of upside IMO and I like Sutton but not crazy about him.
Higgins has a lot of upside IMO and I like Sutton but not crazy about him.
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Re: Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
No bueno.
Honestly feel like Sutton could emerge this year as the next elite target magnet. Higgins is also still ascending and while I'm not a huge fan of the 2022 class at the moment, a lot can change. If you really want to make the trade, I'd say it's more than fair without the 2022 1st; even then I probably still wouldn't do it.
Honestly feel like Sutton could emerge this year as the next elite target magnet. Higgins is also still ascending and while I'm not a huge fan of the 2022 class at the moment, a lot can change. If you really want to make the trade, I'd say it's more than fair without the 2022 1st; even then I probably still wouldn't do it.
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Re: Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
I like Higgins too much to give that package for Tyreek unless I don't have a solid WR1. Your WR room is solid without Hill, and while Hill is an upgrade at the moment over Higgins or Sutton, I'd rather stay younger.
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Re: Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
I'd hold with those ages
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Re: Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
Fair value to pay for Hill, but I don't think I could pull the trigger because of Higgins.
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Not considering rosters, this might be the toughest deal for me to make a decision on in a long time. I'm not as confident that either Sutton or Higgins will be a sureshot top 10 WR as others seem to be, but they are both ascending stars. To get both young guys seems a sure way to get at least one possible top 10 WR, and if you're lucky, get two.
When talking about a deal like this, a late 1st doesn't mean a lot to me, and a late 2nd means even less.
Considering your roster, I'd probably lean the slightest toward saying no to this deal. You have 4 top WRs, and 2 fast risers already. You don't really need Hill. But it's a tough decision for me. I don't think there is a wrong answer. The only way to know if it was right or wrong is to look back 12 months (or 24 months) from now.
When talking about a deal like this, a late 1st doesn't mean a lot to me, and a late 2nd means even less.
Considering your roster, I'd probably lean the slightest toward saying no to this deal. You have 4 top WRs, and 2 fast risers already. You don't really need Hill. But it's a tough decision for me. I don't think there is a wrong answer. The only way to know if it was right or wrong is to look back 12 months (or 24 months) from now.
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Re: Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
I like the youth here. Higgins is a stud
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Re: Give Sutto/Higgins/Picks Get Tyreek
It was really tempting, but I held what I have. Having DK/Sutton/Higgins coming up behind Adams/Nuk/Evans is hard to move off. Like someone said, I dont like having a big chunk of my roster turning 30 at the same time. I feel like it sets me up to be competitive for a long time.
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