TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

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TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:16 am

Team 2 in Signature: (12tm | PPR | 1QB) - No TE Premium

Thoughts on this offer:

I Give: Lamb + Hockenson
I Get: Kittle + OBJ

Trade partner is looking to rebuild and get out from OBJ. As much as I like CeeDee, he's my WR4 and I think Kittle makes my team better with a weekly TE advantage

*This would be somewhat of a blind offer* - Would either side need something added?
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WR: Godwin, DJM, OBJ, Kirk, Mooney, MJJ, Patrick, Watkins, Meyers, Tyrell
TE: Jonnu, Herndon, Kmet, I.Thomas
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QB: Dak, Big Ben, Garropolo, Cam
RB: Zeke, Sanders, Dobbins, J.Robinson, White, D-Will, Bell, Justice
WR: Hopkins, Keenan, Boyd, DJM, Lamb, Mooney, AB, T.Johnson
TE: Waller, Hock, Jarwin, Herndon, Oliver

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RB: Sanders, Montgomery, Mack, Evans, Gallman, Ingram, McKinnon
WR: Thomas, OBJ, Kupp, Lockett, Gallup, Kirk, S.Miller, J.Brown, Reynolds, Tyrell, Conley, Quez
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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby MyTeam » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:19 am

I'd hold. OBJ does nothing for me in this deal. Lamb is a stud, Hockenson is a top 5 TE. I'd hold what you have.
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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:27 am

I would not move Lamb after his first year. I think his value explodes this year. Kittle is the best piece, but I think this trade could look pretty ugly after this season. I have zero hope for Beckham though week to week.

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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby jwb32 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:28 am

I would hold Lamb.
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Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar
RBs- Cook, Sanders, CEH, Michel,Murray,Mattison,LPerine
WRs- Diggs, McLaurin, Golladay, Cooks, OBJ, Reagor,MWill, Crowder,Mooney
TEs-Waller, Fant
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TEs- Hock, Bryant, Trautman
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WRs- Allen, DJM, Julio, Boyd, Mims, Crowder
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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby krtbuckeye » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:29 am

I wouldn't give Lamb to get Kittle, while also giving Hockenson. I'd love to see Hockenson make a jump into the elite tier, and while Kittle gives a positional advantage at TE that most folks couldn't imagine getting for their WR4, most WR4s aren't Lamb. I think he will blow up with a healthy offense next year.
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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:35 am

I could also replace Hock with Engram in this deal.
But it sounds like the consensus is not to give up Lamb

Hock does worry me a bit not knowing who his QB will be (but I suppose that's the case for Kittle too lol)

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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby realmacaroni » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:47 am

^that, plus how many games will Kittle play this season? or the rest of his career?

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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:03 am

Prison_Mike wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:35 am
I could also replace Hock with Engram in this deal.
But it sounds like the consensus is not to give up Lamb

Hock does worry me a bit not knowing who his QB will be (but I suppose that's the case for Kittle too lol)
For me, this is all about not moving Lamb.

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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby krtbuckeye » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:18 am

Prison_Mike wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:35 am
I could also replace Hock with Engram in this deal.
But it sounds like the consensus is not to give up Lamb

Hock does worry me a bit not knowing who his QB will be (but I suppose that's the case for Kittle too lol)
I think Kittle is a huge piece to be able to add, I just wouldn't move Lamb to get him.
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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby abloom » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:25 am

Lamb and Hock for me pretty easily. The injuries are starting to pile up for Kittle and I have some concerns for him. Lamb I think is ready to become a top 5 WR. I wouldn't be surprised if midseason we see Lamb > Kittle and Hock > OBJ
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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby Anteaters » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:37 am

I'd only consider this trade if I thought it would be the difference between championship next season or not. I think Lamb is going to be long-term WR1 for fantasy.

I'm not as big on Hock as the others. He'll not only be without Stafford next year, but he'll have a new coach and new OC. Who knows how the new offense will utilize TEs.

You're strong at WR, so I could see doing this. If I had your team, I'd feel better keeping Lamb and trading Moore or Boyd, if the other guy will go for it.
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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:44 am

Anteaters wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:37 am
I'd only consider this trade if I thought it would be the difference between championship next season or not. I think Lamb is going to be long-term WR1 for fantasy.

I'm not as big on Hock as the others. He'll not only be without Stafford next year, but he'll have a new coach and new OC. Who knows how the new offense will utilize TEs.

You're strong at WR, so I could see doing this. If I had your team, I'd feel better keeping Lamb and trading Moore or Boyd, if the other guy will go for it.
Honestly that was a big part of the thought process. This team is great on paper. But it has underperformed in the playoffs for 2 straight seasons. (Haven't made it past the 2nd round). My thought was: go all-in again in 2021 and if not, time to retool.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm worried about with Hock.

I'll never trade DJM lol and no one seems to properly value Tyler Boyd; I know this owner likes him, but unlikely to make the swap if he's giving up Kittle

My best option is probably to look for a TE upgrade elsewhere. I like Hock (a lot) but even as TE #5, he wasn't really a difference-maker. Coupled with the fact that he'll have a new QB AND new coaches, it might be difficult for him to enter the elite tier this season.

I'm in talks with the Waller owner and it should be much cheaper than this deal, so I'll continue to pursue that

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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby CGW » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:54 pm

I'd still pursue kittle, but I would look at other options. Obj does very little, I'd remove him from the deal, as all it does is add unnecessary value to the other side.

Engram+Allen?

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Re: TRADE: Lamb/Hock vs. Kittle OBJ

Postby Anteaters » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:54 pm

I'd much prefer Waller over Kittles. And getting Waller at a cheaper price only make it twice as good. Definitely pursue that if you think the Waller owner will deal.

BTW, I would not want to own OBJ, except to trade him to an owner who valued him highly.
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