This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

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This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby SteelLake » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:04 pm

Have an owner consistently blowing up my phone about what I'll give him for Kamara. I'm obviously intrigued, cause Kamara, but this is too much right? Finally got him to actually make an offer and he laid out the following:

10 team, SF, PPR / 6 points per passing td
1.03
1.04
Likely very late 2022 1st
Taysom Hill
Tua

I've now tanked for 2 years, hoping I can FINALLY put stuff together for this year.. It just seems like he's asking for 4 1st's and a 2nd for 1 player. I'm guessing that's dumb, particular since my roster can use an influx of the draft picks I've been trading for / isn't 1 player away from being a powerhouse.

Current Roster:
Wilson, Burrow, Tua, Taysom Hill, Wentz, Rosen, Stidham, Wolford
Dobbins, Singletary, Scott, JJ Taylor, Hasty, Ty Johnson, Ogunbowale, Ito Smith
Ridley, Allen Robinson, Aiyuk, Beckham, , Gallup, Landry, Coutee, Peoples-Jones, Fulgham, Guyton, Demarcus Robinson, Quez Watkins, Tyron Johnson, Hansen
Fant, Howard

Bold = current starter... Italics = likely cut (did this quickly, I need to cut 6 from that before season, plus all my draft picks)

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2021 draft picks:
1. 1.01
2. 1.03
3. 1.04
4. 2.04
5. 2.08
6. 2.10
7. 3.04
8---- (all my 4th overall picks, draft keeps going until done, not allowed to trade after 3rd round)

2022 draft picks:
1. My 1st round pick
2. A likely late 1st round pick
3. A likely late 1st round pick
4. My 2nd round pick
5. A likely middlish 2nd round pick
6. A likely middlish 2nd round pick
7. My 3rd round pick
8. A likely early 3rd round pick
9. A likely late 3rd round pick
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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:05 pm

I dont think that is too much to ask, but given your build, I dont think Kamara fits your team super well by the team you might be competing.

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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby SteelLake » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:11 pm

Gator Sens wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:05 pm
I dont think that is too much to ask, but given your build, I dont think Kamara fits your team super well by the team you might be competing.
TY Agree on not fitting, just wanted to check, since its Kamara... Curious (since I value all the opinions you post on here). How much longer do you think until I can compete.

I was hoping, draft a top RB, pair with Dobbins, maybe trade for another WR, and see how my team does in 2021 (sell if needed).

I was a top team for the 1st 5 years, let my team get ANCIENT, and after 1 disappointing year / then 2 years of purposely tanking, I'm starting to wonder when this rebuild period will ever end (1st time rebuilding)
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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby abloom » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:13 pm

In a ten teamer, no I don't think that's too much for kamara. You seem to have way too many QBs on your roster. I don't see a reason to trade for kamara unless you are a legit championship contender with him and I don't see that being the case.
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12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill,Hill
R: CMC,Taylor,Robinson,Fournette
W: Evans,Edelman,Cobb,Davis,Mooney,Lazard
T: Goedert(IR),Henry
D: NE,BAL
K: Bullock

2021 Picks: 1.02,2.05,4.02,5.02,6.02,7.02
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12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson, Murray, Cousins, Trubisky, Smith, Dalton
R: Cook, Dobbins, Swift, Monty, Mattison
W: Nuk, Godwin, Metcalf, K Allen, Sutton
T: Kelce
K: Tucker
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1.05,1.12,4.06,4.12,5.12,6.12,7.07
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14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes ,Tua, Mullens, Love, Flacco, Hoyer, Rypien, Bethard
R: Michel, Moss, Hyde, Bernard, Richard, Darrel Williams, Damien Williams, C Thompson
W: Juju, Cooper, Allen, Sanders, D Moore
T: Schultz, Doyle, Asiasi, Thomas

2021 Picks: 1.04,1.11,1.12,2.04,3.04,4.04,4.06,4.10

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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby SteelLake » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:17 pm

abloom wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:13 pm
In a ten teamer, no I don't think that's too much for kamara. You seem to have way too many QBs on your roster. I don't see a reason to trade for kamara unless you are a legit championship contender with him and I don't see that being the case.
Most of those QB's are getting cut... I just picked up a bunch of random guys that have SOME shot to increase in value, when I traded everyone this year. But, yea... we transitioned into SF, I invested in QB as part of rebuild (was tanking last season of non-SF, so traded older guys for QB's that weren't valuable that year). I thought league would value QB's by now, and I could flip once SF, but they just don't... at all. Holding out still, and panicking over if I should take another in Lawrence with 1.01....
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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:18 pm

SteelLake wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:11 pm
Gator Sens wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:05 pm
I dont think that is too much to ask, but given your build, I dont think Kamara fits your team super well by the team you might be competing.
TY Agree on not fitting, just wanted to check, since its Kamara... Curious (since I value all the opinions you post on here). How much longer do you think until I can compete.

I was hoping, draft a top RB, pair with Dobbins, maybe trade for another WR, and see how my team does in 2021 (sell if needed).

I was a top team for the 1st 5 years, let my team get ANCIENT, and after 1 disappointing year / then 2 years of purposely tanking, I'm starting to wonder when this rebuild period will ever end (1st time rebuilding)
Sometimes coming out of a rebuild is really tough, but stay the course, keep your picks and make smart deals as they come.

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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby blacklab1010 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:29 pm

I cant believe the trade partner doesn't want the 1.01 in that deal, I would seriously be considering that trade since you get him and the best player available in the draft also. I know you may not quite be ready to compete with those wrs but I am thinking you may be able to do this and then after the nfl draft trade this same guy the 1.01 and a lesser wr for the 1.03 or the 1.04 and a better wr when he sees where the players land and panics to get the best one!!!
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QBs-Russell Wilson, Josh Allen, Taysom Hill
RBs-Alvin Kamara/Latavius Murray, Derrick Henry/Darrynton Evans, Austin Ekeler/ Kaden Ballage Kenyan Drake/Chase Edmunds, David Johnson, James White
WRs- Julio Jones, DeVante Parker, Diontae Johnson, Will Fuller, Russell Gage, Keke Coutee, Emmanuel Sanders, Zach Pascal, Breshad Perriman, Travis Fulgham
TEs- Travis Kelce, Darren Waller, Jared Cook, CJ Uzomah, Kaden Smith

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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby krtbuckeye » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:43 pm

On value alone, this is not asking too much IMO. Your team doesn't look non-competitive to me at all, but my league is very top heavy, so that could just be my lack of exposure talking. I think Kamara gives you a great competitive boost, but I could also see holding those assets to continue loading up. The strongest point I could make in favor of holding, whether you're sold on taking on Kamara or not, would be to let those picks continue appreciating leading up to the draft and to see what Kamara's situation looks like in the off-season then move from there. Both buying and selling Kamara is tricky business right now.
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WR: Davante Adams, Terry McLaurin, Tee Higgins, Chase Claypool, Corey Davis, James Washington, Collin Johnson, Quintez Cephus
TE: Travis Kelce, Irv Smith Jr., Cole Kmet
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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby Yarnith » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:51 pm

I love Kamara but just no. Think it through for your SF league. Random draft projection
1.1 Trevor Lawrence
1.3 Etienne
1.4 Harris

Those 3 names rewrite your teams history. You WRs are solid and improving them is far easier knowing your QB room and RB room is good. If Etienne or Harris have a stud rookie year you could actually contend.
12 team standard, 1QB, 1RB, 1WR, 2WR/TE, 1flex


QB: J. Allen, J. Goff, D. Haskins

RB: A. Kamara, J. Taylor, CE,H, Ty Johnson, B. Love, D. Guice, R. Calais, D. Washington

WR: A.J. Brown, C. Ridley, J. Smith-Schuster, A. Cooper, R. Woods, D. Slayton, P. Williams, H. Ruggs, D. Mims, T. Smith, KJ Hamler

TE: G. Kittle, H. Henry

2021 1.12 , 3.8, 3.12, 4.9, 4.12

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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby SteelLake » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:56 pm

Yarnith wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:51 pm
I love Kamara but just no. Think it through for your SF league. Random draft projection
1.1 Trevor Lawrence
1.3 Etienne
1.4 Harris

Those 3 names rewrite your teams history. You WRs are solid and improving them is far easier knowing your QB room and RB room is good. If Etienne or Harris have a stud rookie year you could actually contend.
Yea, I agree, but I wish that was it... knowing my teams lack of value for QBs, I’m guessing eitenne goes 2. And, I’ll have huge debate on drafting another qb or not
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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby abloom » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:35 pm

SteelLake wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:17 pm
abloom wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:13 pm
In a ten teamer, no I don't think that's too much for kamara. You seem to have way too many QBs on your roster. I don't see a reason to trade for kamara unless you are a legit championship contender with him and I don't see that being the case.
Most of those QB's are getting cut... I just picked up a bunch of random guys that have SOME shot to increase in value, when I traded everyone this year. But, yea... we transitioned into SF, I invested in QB as part of rebuild (was tanking last season of non-SF, so traded older guys for QB's that weren't valuable that year). I thought league would value QB's by now, and I could flip once SF, but they just don't... at all. Holding out still, and panicking over if I should take another in Lawrence with 1.01....
10 team SF is closer to 16 team 1qb than 12 team SF in terms of qb value.
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12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill,Hill
R: CMC,Taylor,Robinson,Fournette
W: Evans,Edelman,Cobb,Davis,Mooney,Lazard
T: Goedert(IR),Henry
D: NE,BAL
K: Bullock

2021 Picks: 1.02,2.05,4.02,5.02,6.02,7.02
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12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson, Murray, Cousins, Trubisky, Smith, Dalton
R: Cook, Dobbins, Swift, Monty, Mattison
W: Nuk, Godwin, Metcalf, K Allen, Sutton
T: Kelce
K: Tucker
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1.05,1.12,4.06,4.12,5.12,6.12,7.07
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Q: Mahomes ,Tua, Mullens, Love, Flacco, Hoyer, Rypien, Bethard
R: Michel, Moss, Hyde, Bernard, Richard, Darrel Williams, Damien Williams, C Thompson
W: Juju, Cooper, Allen, Sanders, D Moore
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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby briank » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:00 pm

I disagree that it's fair value. I get that it's 10 teams and SF isn't as important there, but it's still 2 top 4 picks, another 1st and Tua. That's a heavy price to pay with a lot of uncertainty surrounding the Saints QB situation. No thanks.
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QB Allen/Wilson
RB Mixon/Ja. Williams/Bernard/Davis
WR Thomas/DJ Moore/Robinson/TY/Washington
TE Kelce/Ertz/Cook
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QB Mahomes/Watson/Roethlisberger/Fitzpatrick
RB Cook/Mixon/J. Robinson/Ja. Williams/Hines
WR Evans/Golladay/Lockett/Cooks/Fuller/Pittman/Miller/Diontae Johnson
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QB Mahomes/Murray/Burrow
RB Jacobs/Dobbins/Penny/Dillon/Edwards
WR Adams/Diggs/AJ Brown/Godwin/Woods/Boyd/Ruggs/Davis
TE Henry/Hurst/Njoku/Irv Smith

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QB Jackson/Brees
RB Da. Johnson/Gurley
WR Adams/Hopkins/Julio/Thielen/Hilton
TE Kelce/Ertz/Irv

12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Goff/Herbert/Tua
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WR Juju/Sutton/Juedy/Jefferson/Samuel
TE Kittle/Fant/Njoku
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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby Yarnith » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:56 pm

SteelLake wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:56 pm
Yarnith wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:51 pm
I love Kamara but just no. Think it through for your SF league. Random draft projection
1.1 Trevor Lawrence
1.3 Etienne
1.4 Harris

Those 3 names rewrite your teams history. You WRs are solid and improving them is far easier knowing your QB room and RB room is good. If Etienne or Harris have a stud rookie year you could actually contend.
Yea, I agree, but I wish that was it... knowing my teams lack of value for QBs, I’m guessing eitenne goes 2. And, I’ll have huge debate on drafting another qb or not
Then you grab Chase or Smith or see if 1.05 wants to pony up to your spot to get his fav QB option before you "snag" it. Still cant lose and better than Kamara for you.
12 team standard, 1QB, 1RB, 1WR, 2WR/TE, 1flex


QB: J. Allen, J. Goff, D. Haskins

RB: A. Kamara, J. Taylor, CE,H, Ty Johnson, B. Love, D. Guice, R. Calais, D. Washington

WR: A.J. Brown, C. Ridley, J. Smith-Schuster, A. Cooper, R. Woods, D. Slayton, P. Williams, H. Ruggs, D. Mims, T. Smith, KJ Hamler

TE: G. Kittle, H. Henry

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Re: This is guy is asking too much for Kamara, right??

Postby dustyroads » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:54 am

Keep your picks. Take Lawrence and two of Etienne, Harris, Williams. If you aren't in the hunt yourself, trade a QB mid season to a contender for a RB for a much better value. Tua's value in the trade market from what I've seen is (imo wrongfully) tanked rn just because of how well Burrow and Herbert looked this season. So by taking the picks now, you get more time to see his value hopefully swing back up, and also see how Kamara is looking without Brees. I'm not sold on a definite decline, but it's certainly a risk. Looks like you put a lot of time into this tank acquiring all those picks, I wouldn't rush to give it all up for a 26 year old RB with some legitimate concerns at QB right now.


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