This is for Team 2, below. I've been trying to move CMC for awhile and have been trying to do a trade of CMC + WR2/3 for RB + WR1. So far haven't had much luck. I had sent this offer to a leaguemate:
I give: CMC, Tannehill, Corey Davis
I get: Gibson, AJ Brown, Cousins.
I thought it was fair, if maybe a slanted towards the Gibson/AJB side, but was hoping to get into trade talks (and maybe get Godwin instead of AJ Brown). It was rejected, but the guy came back with the following, after I mentioned I liked Godwin:
I give: Tannehill, Higgins, 2.05
I get: Cousins, Godwin, Rashaad Penny, Mark Ingram
Penny and Ingram to me are roster cloggers with no real value and while Tannehill is better than Cousins, they would both be backups to Watson in a 1 QB league, so when really looking at it, I felt the value lay on the Higgins + 2.05 over Godwin. I like Godwin, but he's two years older than Higgins, has a lot more competition for catches at Tampa Bay (where I'm assuming he'll be next year on the Franchise Tag), his future QB situation is unknown, and I worry his 2019 season was his ceiling, rather than a norm, given how much Jameis tossed it around that year. Higgins had a really good rookie year, is two years younger, and is tied to Burrow who looked good before his injury. Plus, this is a deep draft and I'm not really a contender yet, so I'm not crazy about trading draft picks (I'd prefer more draft equity).
I let the Godwin owner know as such and he came back with the following:
I give: Tannehill, Higgins, Jonnu Smith
I get: Cousins, Godwin, Ingram
I'm still leaning towards saying no, because I think Higgins and Godwin are close enough that I'd rather not give up a good backup QB and a good TE piece, but I wanted to check first. Am I overvaluing Higgins and undervaluing Godwin?
Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
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10 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Mahomes, Cousins, Howell, Levis, Z. Wilson
RB: Taylor, Chubb, Walker, Achane, Kamara, A. Jones, Roschon Johnson, CEH, White, Ingram
WR: Lamb, Chase, AJ Brown, Evans, D. Johnson, Jeudy, Smith-Njigba, Hyatt, Scott
TE: Kittle, McBride, Schultz, Mayer, Ogletree, Mallory
Team 2
12 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex
QB: Hurts, Watson, M. Jones
RB: McCaffrey, Taylor, Dobbins, Roschon Johnson
WR: Lamb, Godwin, Higgins, Palmer, Peoples-Jones, Campbell, Shenault, Tyler Scott
TE: Andrews, Engram, Gesicki, Woods, Granson, Mallory
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QB: Richardson, Tannehill, Mariota
RB: Sanders, White, Foreman, Scott, Brown, Kelley, Hill, Rodriguez
WR: Dotson, Johnson, Boyd, Slayton, Thorton, Downs, Duvernay, Patrick, Berrios, Austin, Gray, Williams, Scott
TE: Okonkwo, Smith, Musgrave, Washington, Bellinger, Granson, Ogletree, Mallory
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QB: Mahomes, Cousins, Howell, Levis, Z. Wilson
RB: Taylor, Chubb, Walker, Achane, Kamara, A. Jones, Roschon Johnson, CEH, White, Ingram
WR: Lamb, Chase, AJ Brown, Evans, D. Johnson, Jeudy, Smith-Njigba, Hyatt, Scott
TE: Kittle, McBride, Schultz, Mayer, Ogletree, Mallory
Team 2
12 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex
QB: Hurts, Watson, M. Jones
RB: McCaffrey, Taylor, Dobbins, Roschon Johnson
WR: Lamb, Godwin, Higgins, Palmer, Peoples-Jones, Campbell, Shenault, Tyler Scott
TE: Andrews, Engram, Gesicki, Woods, Granson, Mallory
Team 3
12 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Superflex, 2 Flex
QB: Richardson, Tannehill, Mariota
RB: Sanders, White, Foreman, Scott, Brown, Kelley, Hill, Rodriguez
WR: Dotson, Johnson, Boyd, Slayton, Thorton, Downs, Duvernay, Patrick, Berrios, Austin, Gray, Williams, Scott
TE: Okonkwo, Smith, Musgrave, Washington, Bellinger, Granson, Ogletree, Mallory
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Re: Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
With this being a 1 QB league, don't put a ton of stock into the Tannehill-Cousins swap, but edge to Tannehill. So this essentially comes down to whether you think the gap between Godwin and Higgins is greater than the value of Jonnu and a slight fade at backup QB, Ingram brings zero value here. I still have Godwin slightly over Higgins, but not by much and I think Higgins will continue to surge once Burrow is back.
This is a hold IMO.
This is a hold IMO.
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Re: Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
All things considered here,I would hold your side for any of the current offers.
Re: Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
I prefer Godwin to Higgins, but overall, this deal doesn’t do anything for me.
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RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
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QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
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TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
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QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
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Re: Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
I am with the consensus. Godwin is better than Higgins in my eyes but not enough to do this trade.
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WR: A.J. Brown, A. Cooper, J. Dotson, C. Ridley, E. Moore, W. Robinson, J. Meyers, T. Marshall,
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WR: A.J. Brown, A. Cooper, J. Dotson, C. Ridley, E. Moore, W. Robinson, J. Meyers, T. Marshall,
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Re: Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
I think 12 months from now Higgins will be valued much higher than Godwin so I would do the trade.
Re: Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
I'd be giving up Higgins for Godwin in this trade.Oddball456 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:51 pm I think 12 months from now Higgins will be valued much higher than Godwin so I would do the trade.
Team 1
10 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Mahomes, Cousins, Howell, Levis, Z. Wilson
RB: Taylor, Chubb, Walker, Achane, Kamara, A. Jones, Roschon Johnson, CEH, White, Ingram
WR: Lamb, Chase, AJ Brown, Evans, D. Johnson, Jeudy, Smith-Njigba, Hyatt, Scott
TE: Kittle, McBride, Schultz, Mayer, Ogletree, Mallory
Team 2
12 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex
QB: Hurts, Watson, M. Jones
RB: McCaffrey, Taylor, Dobbins, Roschon Johnson
WR: Lamb, Godwin, Higgins, Palmer, Peoples-Jones, Campbell, Shenault, Tyler Scott
TE: Andrews, Engram, Gesicki, Woods, Granson, Mallory
Team 3
12 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Superflex, 2 Flex
QB: Richardson, Tannehill, Mariota
RB: Sanders, White, Foreman, Scott, Brown, Kelley, Hill, Rodriguez
WR: Dotson, Johnson, Boyd, Slayton, Thorton, Downs, Duvernay, Patrick, Berrios, Austin, Gray, Williams, Scott
TE: Okonkwo, Smith, Musgrave, Washington, Bellinger, Granson, Ogletree, Mallory
10 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 SF
QB: Mahomes, Cousins, Howell, Levis, Z. Wilson
RB: Taylor, Chubb, Walker, Achane, Kamara, A. Jones, Roschon Johnson, CEH, White, Ingram
WR: Lamb, Chase, AJ Brown, Evans, D. Johnson, Jeudy, Smith-Njigba, Hyatt, Scott
TE: Kittle, McBride, Schultz, Mayer, Ogletree, Mallory
Team 2
12 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex
QB: Hurts, Watson, M. Jones
RB: McCaffrey, Taylor, Dobbins, Roschon Johnson
WR: Lamb, Godwin, Higgins, Palmer, Peoples-Jones, Campbell, Shenault, Tyler Scott
TE: Andrews, Engram, Gesicki, Woods, Granson, Mallory
Team 3
12 Team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Superflex, 2 Flex
QB: Richardson, Tannehill, Mariota
RB: Sanders, White, Foreman, Scott, Brown, Kelley, Hill, Rodriguez
WR: Dotson, Johnson, Boyd, Slayton, Thorton, Downs, Duvernay, Patrick, Berrios, Austin, Gray, Williams, Scott
TE: Okonkwo, Smith, Musgrave, Washington, Bellinger, Granson, Ogletree, Mallory
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Re: Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
Love them both depending on where Godwin lands, but currently I like who Higgins is tied to.Indy Blue wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:57 pmI'd be giving up Higgins for Godwin in this trade.Oddball456 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:51 pm I think 12 months from now Higgins will be valued much higher than Godwin so I would do the trade.
Re: Am I overvaluing Higgins versus Godwin?
I like Godwin a little bit above Higgins, but dont love vertical trades unless Godwin is just your guy.
Godwin is one of the better route runners in the league and probably some of the strongest hands too. He performs even in a situation with 2 other elite WRs. When healthy(he usually is) he is Elite. Who knows what his situation is going forward, but I think his talent will perform regardless.
The only advantage Higgins has is Burrow for his entire rookie contract. With Burrow, he looked like he could become what Godwin is. Because of that, age factors in.
Flip a coin for me. Go with your gut or you will regret it later.
Godwin is one of the better route runners in the league and probably some of the strongest hands too. He performs even in a situation with 2 other elite WRs. When healthy(he usually is) he is Elite. Who knows what his situation is going forward, but I think his talent will perform regardless.
The only advantage Higgins has is Burrow for his entire rookie contract. With Burrow, he looked like he could become what Godwin is. Because of that, age factors in.
Flip a coin for me. Go with your gut or you will regret it later.
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