Bad Trade - But How Bad?
Bad Trade - But How Bad?
Trade went down last night. League is mixed feelings on it and we typically do not interfere with trades. The guy getting Kyler is known for terrible trades, and this is just another in a long list (he traded 1.05 for Mason Rudolph last season).
League: 12 Teams, 1QB, .5 PPR
Give: 1.07, 1.11, 3.02, 2022 1st (likely top 3).
Get: Kyler Murray
The guy getting the picks was runner up this season. The guy getting Kyler got 11th.
It just seem illogical. his justification is that he now has a Franchise QB and those are hard to find (he also rosters Jimmy G, Brees, Taysom, Rudolph, Haskins (traded a 1st for him), and Tua T.).
League: 12 Teams, 1QB, .5 PPR
Give: 1.07, 1.11, 3.02, 2022 1st (likely top 3).
Get: Kyler Murray
The guy getting the picks was runner up this season. The guy getting Kyler got 11th.
It just seem illogical. his justification is that he now has a Franchise QB and those are hard to find (he also rosters Jimmy G, Brees, Taysom, Rudolph, Haskins (traded a 1st for him), and Tua T.).
League Started in 2018
12 Team, .5 PPR, 25 roster: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE(1.5 PPR), 1 FLEX (WR/RB)
QB: Deshaun Watson, Matt Stafford, Teddy Bridgewater
RB:Austin Ekeler, Kareem Hunt, Cam Akers, Jamaal Williams, Melvin Gordon, Joshua Kelley, DeeJay Dallas, Salvon Ahmed, Trayveon Williams, Xavier Jones, Darrell Williams
WR: Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Courtland Sutton, Chase Claypool, Michael Gallup, Brashad Perriman, Byron Pringle, Auden Tate, Amari Rogers, Dyami Brown, Anthony Schwartz
TE: Jonnu Smith, Chris Herndon, Dawson Knox, Harrison Bryant, Pat Freiermuth, Jacob Hollister
Picks:
2022: 1st x2, 2nd
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
12 Team, .5 PPR, 25 roster: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE(1.5 PPR), 1 FLEX (WR/RB)
QB: Deshaun Watson, Matt Stafford, Teddy Bridgewater
RB:Austin Ekeler, Kareem Hunt, Cam Akers, Jamaal Williams, Melvin Gordon, Joshua Kelley, DeeJay Dallas, Salvon Ahmed, Trayveon Williams, Xavier Jones, Darrell Williams
WR: Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Courtland Sutton, Chase Claypool, Michael Gallup, Brashad Perriman, Byron Pringle, Auden Tate, Amari Rogers, Dyami Brown, Anthony Schwartz
TE: Jonnu Smith, Chris Herndon, Dawson Knox, Harrison Bryant, Pat Freiermuth, Jacob Hollister
Picks:
2022: 1st x2, 2nd
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
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Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
sounds like he's really got a thing or QBs and a propensity to overpay. if he's already paid 1sts for guys like Rudolph and Haskins, then paying multiple firsts for a guy like Murray seems inline
at least he spreads it around the league
at least he spreads it around the league
SF - PPR - 12t - start10
Notable Assets in Rebuild
QB: Mahomes - Levis - Rudolph
RB: K Mitchell - J McLaughlin - C Rodriguez - Z Evans
WR: AJB - M Pittman- R Doubs - E Moore - Shaheed - C Tillman- A Iosivas
TE: MAndrews - Kraft
'24: 1.1, 1.7, 2.1, 2.6, 2.10, 3.1, 3.10
‘25: 1 1st, 2 2nds, 2 3rds
2nd year DFF
SF - PPR - 12t - start10
QB: TLaw - Purdy - Goff
RB: Chubb - D Montgomery - D Singletary - A Mattison - K Miller - J Hill
WR: CeeDee - Aiyuk - Rice - Godwin - J Reed - E Moore
TE: Kittle - Kincaid - Chig
picks: 1.09, 2.11
Notable Assets in Rebuild
QB: Mahomes - Levis - Rudolph
RB: K Mitchell - J McLaughlin - C Rodriguez - Z Evans
WR: AJB - M Pittman- R Doubs - E Moore - Shaheed - C Tillman- A Iosivas
TE: MAndrews - Kraft
'24: 1.1, 1.7, 2.1, 2.6, 2.10, 3.1, 3.10
‘25: 1 1st, 2 2nds, 2 3rds
2nd year DFF
SF - PPR - 12t - start10
QB: TLaw - Purdy - Goff
RB: Chubb - D Montgomery - D Singletary - A Mattison - K Miller - J Hill
WR: CeeDee - Aiyuk - Rice - Godwin - J Reed - E Moore
TE: Kittle - Kincaid - Chig
picks: 1.09, 2.11
Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
Single QB? Yeah its bad.
Superflex? Not bad. So maybe he doesn't know its 1QB
Superflex? Not bad. So maybe he doesn't know its 1QB
Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
Bad trade but I wouldn't step in. Kyler for 3 firsts in one QB is definitely a huge overpay especially with 6 other QBs on the roster. But if he keeps paying his entry fee then I wouldn't step in unless you suspect collusion. This just seems like a typical overpay for a QB. I will say, I am against 99.999% of vetoes.
Team 1: 12 team, PPR
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex
Mahomes, Lawrence
Najee, Swift, Javonte, Jamaal W, Murray
DK, DJM, Juju, Jameson, Gallup, Van
Pitts, Friermuth
1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 1.12, 3.10, 2 firsts next year
Team 2: 12 Team, SF TEP (1.5 PPR)
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex, 1 SF
Mahomes, Burrow, Cousins, Rudolph
CEH, Swift, Gibson, Jacobs, Mattison, Scott, McFarland
DK, AJB, Ridley, McLaurin, Kupp, Landry, Mims, Hamler, Miller, Johnson, Robinson
Andrews, H. Henry, Sternberger, Alie-Cox, Herndon
Same as Team 2
Watson, Burrow, Lance, Z. Wilson
Pollard, Mattison
Chase, D. Smith, Boyd, Hardman, E. Moore, Cephus, A. Rodgers, Harry, Boykin, A. Tate, Miller
Hockenson, Thomas, Albert O, Njoku
3 additional firsts
Same as Team 2
TLaw, Burrow, Watson, Darnold
CEH, Gus, Cohen
Juju, Chark, Shenault, Boyd, Landry, Renfrow, Robinson,
Engram, Kmet, Firkser, Schultz, Arnold, Herndon
5 additional firsts
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex
Mahomes, Lawrence
Najee, Swift, Javonte, Jamaal W, Murray
DK, DJM, Juju, Jameson, Gallup, Van
Pitts, Friermuth
1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 1.12, 3.10, 2 firsts next year
Team 2: 12 Team, SF TEP (1.5 PPR)
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex, 1 SF
Mahomes, Burrow, Cousins, Rudolph
CEH, Swift, Gibson, Jacobs, Mattison, Scott, McFarland
DK, AJB, Ridley, McLaurin, Kupp, Landry, Mims, Hamler, Miller, Johnson, Robinson
Andrews, H. Henry, Sternberger, Alie-Cox, Herndon
Same as Team 2
Watson, Burrow, Lance, Z. Wilson
Pollard, Mattison
Chase, D. Smith, Boyd, Hardman, E. Moore, Cephus, A. Rodgers, Harry, Boykin, A. Tate, Miller
Hockenson, Thomas, Albert O, Njoku
3 additional firsts
Same as Team 2
TLaw, Burrow, Watson, Darnold
CEH, Gus, Cohen
Juju, Chark, Shenault, Boyd, Landry, Renfrow, Robinson,
Engram, Kmet, Firkser, Schultz, Arnold, Herndon
5 additional firsts
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Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
I really hope this is SF. If not, It's beyond bad ha ha. I'm guessing it has to be SF based on the Rudolph deal too. SF, it's a slight overpay too but not nearly as bad.
Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
It's a one QBGator Sens wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:24 am I really hope this is SF. If not, It's beyond bad ha ha. I'm guessing it has to be SF based on the Rudolph deal too. SF, it's a slight overpay too but not nearly as bad.
Team 1: 12 team, PPR
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex
Mahomes, Lawrence
Najee, Swift, Javonte, Jamaal W, Murray
DK, DJM, Juju, Jameson, Gallup, Van
Pitts, Friermuth
1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 1.12, 3.10, 2 firsts next year
Team 2: 12 Team, SF TEP (1.5 PPR)
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex, 1 SF
Mahomes, Burrow, Cousins, Rudolph
CEH, Swift, Gibson, Jacobs, Mattison, Scott, McFarland
DK, AJB, Ridley, McLaurin, Kupp, Landry, Mims, Hamler, Miller, Johnson, Robinson
Andrews, H. Henry, Sternberger, Alie-Cox, Herndon
Same as Team 2
Watson, Burrow, Lance, Z. Wilson
Pollard, Mattison
Chase, D. Smith, Boyd, Hardman, E. Moore, Cephus, A. Rodgers, Harry, Boykin, A. Tate, Miller
Hockenson, Thomas, Albert O, Njoku
3 additional firsts
Same as Team 2
TLaw, Burrow, Watson, Darnold
CEH, Gus, Cohen
Juju, Chark, Shenault, Boyd, Landry, Renfrow, Robinson,
Engram, Kmet, Firkser, Schultz, Arnold, Herndon
5 additional firsts
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex
Mahomes, Lawrence
Najee, Swift, Javonte, Jamaal W, Murray
DK, DJM, Juju, Jameson, Gallup, Van
Pitts, Friermuth
1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 1.12, 3.10, 2 firsts next year
Team 2: 12 Team, SF TEP (1.5 PPR)
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex, 1 SF
Mahomes, Burrow, Cousins, Rudolph
CEH, Swift, Gibson, Jacobs, Mattison, Scott, McFarland
DK, AJB, Ridley, McLaurin, Kupp, Landry, Mims, Hamler, Miller, Johnson, Robinson
Andrews, H. Henry, Sternberger, Alie-Cox, Herndon
Same as Team 2
Watson, Burrow, Lance, Z. Wilson
Pollard, Mattison
Chase, D. Smith, Boyd, Hardman, E. Moore, Cephus, A. Rodgers, Harry, Boykin, A. Tate, Miller
Hockenson, Thomas, Albert O, Njoku
3 additional firsts
Same as Team 2
TLaw, Burrow, Watson, Darnold
CEH, Gus, Cohen
Juju, Chark, Shenault, Boyd, Landry, Renfrow, Robinson,
Engram, Kmet, Firkser, Schultz, Arnold, Herndon
5 additional firsts
Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
I think he got fleeced in 1QB, but his history of bad trades makes this one kinda par for the course. I'd let it go, and then try to make some deals with him myself.
10-team Superflex, 0.5 PPR, 15-man rosters, pseudo-dynasty
Keep any number of players (0-15), lose same number of draft picks
2010, 2015, 2020 - , 2013 -
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, SF, FLEX, D/ST
QB: Dak, Watson
RB: Swift, Robinson Jr, Singletary, Brown, Hubbard, Zeus, Herbert
WR: Wilson, Olave, Pickens, Aiyuk
TE: Pitts, LaPorta
D/ST:
Keep any number of players (0-15), lose same number of draft picks
2010, 2015, 2020 - , 2013 -
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, SF, FLEX, D/ST
QB: Dak, Watson
RB: Swift, Robinson Jr, Singletary, Brown, Hubbard, Zeus, Herbert
WR: Wilson, Olave, Pickens, Aiyuk
TE: Pitts, LaPorta
D/ST:
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Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
Those are both really awful trades than. Yikes. Sometimes really wanting a player on your team and getting them at all costs can really mess up a build for a long time. As far as the league goes, if two people agree on a trade and it is not over the top horrendous, it is what it is and its just a bad trade for one team.MyTeam wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:34 amIt's a one QBGator Sens wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:24 am I really hope this is SF. If not, It's beyond bad ha ha. I'm guessing it has to be SF based on the Rudolph deal too. SF, it's a slight overpay too but not nearly as bad.
Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
The guy overpaid but not close to enough to be upset or demand it be reversed.
I'd keep offering him QBs in the future.
I'd keep offering him QBs in the future.
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Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
I’d really encourage him to leave the league and find something else to do, and try and replace him with someone else.
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WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods
2024: 1, 2, 3, 4
Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
In a 1QB I’d have it as an overpay but whatever without the 2022 1st. That pick makes it a slaughter IMO. Sounds like it was just another in an ongoing pattern though, so not sure why anyone would be that surprised by it.
Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
It's bad. No two ways about it.
But it doesn't strike me as something that needs to be vetoed or anything. Just chime in and ridicule the owner giving up 3 1sts for a QB in a 1QB league.
But it doesn't strike me as something that needs to be vetoed or anything. Just chime in and ridicule the owner giving up 3 1sts for a QB in a 1QB league.
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Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
x2FantasyFoosball wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:51 pm I’d really encourage him to leave the league and find something else to do, and try and replace him with someone else.
He's damaging the league as a whole. Making other teams significantly better while making these lopsided trades, and dragging his team down beyond repair; Good luck finding a replacement for his orphan with him trading a way multiple future 1sts for QBs
If this was a one time trade with no evidence of collusion, there'd be nothing to discuss. But with his history and likelihood that it continues, I think he needs to go
At the very least, offer him some resources (trade calculators, forums like this, etc). He's either new to this or just bad at it. If he's going to remain in your league, give him the tools not to damage it further
Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
Agree with the assessment about with/without the '22 1st.
As commish, I'd allow the borderline fair/bad trade without the 2022 1st. With that pick in, I'd want to veto.
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QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
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14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Bad Trade - But How Bad?
I am with the encourage him to move on side of this. Unless this is a buddies league for fun someone make trades that badly is going to skew the league violently to anyone willing to abuse his ignorance.
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WR: A.J. Brown, A. Cooper, J. Dotson, C. Ridley, E. Moore, W. Robinson, J. Meyers, T. Marshall,
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