Massive Overhaul for 2021

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Which version of my team would you prefer moving forward?

Originally Drafted Team (Strongly)
29
85%
Originally Drafted Team (Slightly)
4
12%
Current Overhauled team (Slightly)
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3%
Current Overhauled team (Strongly)
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Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby The MAC Machine » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:26 am

So between the start of the season and now I’ve made multiple trades in my SUPERFLEX league. (At least 1 with each owner except for one). Scoring is standard PPR, 1.5 PPR for TE and we start 12 players. Being decimated with injuries and realizing that the trajectory of my roster was not in win now mode I pivoted to mid-season rebuild mode. Hypothetically, if you were taking over my team, which version of it would you prefer moving forward? Thanks in advanced!


2020 Draft —-> Current Team
Original Starters in Bold
Projected Starters Underlined

Start 1-2QB (SUPERFLEX)
Kyler Murray—-> Sam Darnold
Rodgers —-> Mac Jones
Brady —-> Tyrod Taylor
SAME: Rudolph
ADD: Minshew, Ian Book

Start 2-6 RB
Cook —-> Jacobs (OAK)
Tevin Coleman —-> D. Harris (NE)
Lamar Miller—-> Fournette (TB)
Ty Montgomery —-> R. Penny (SEA)
McKissic —-> Scott (PHI)
Breida —-> D. Dallas (SEA)
DeA. Washington —-> K. Vaughn (TB)
SAME: JJ Taylor (NE)
ADD: A. Collins (SEA) , S. Perine (CIN)


Start 3-7WR
Godwin/Sutton—-> Amari Cooper/Sutton
Golladay —-> Chark Jr
De. Parker —-> FLEX 1: Juju
Hamler —-> FLEX 2: Landry
J. Grant —-> FLEX 3: Boyd
C. Sims —-> Pittman
J. Proche —-> Mike Williams (LAC)
Cobb —-> Olszewski
ADD: Marvin Jones, Tre Quan Smith
SAME: Zaccheus

Start 2-6 TE
Jarwin —-> Jarwin
Gronk —->Cox
Asiasi
ADD: Keene
Last edited by The MAC Machine on Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:01 am, edited 11 times in total.
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12 TEAM SUPERFLEX PPR
START: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 SUPERFLEX
ROSTER STARTERS
QB: S. Darnold (CAR)
RB: J. Jacobs (LV), L. Fournette (TB)
WR: Cooper (DAL), Ridley (ATL), M. Williams (LAC)
TE: R. Seals-Jones (WAS), M. Alie-Cox (IND)
FLEX: Sutton (DEN), J. Smith-Schuster (PIT), D. Harris (NE)
SUPERFLEX: M. Jones (NE)


BENCH:
QB: Rudolph (PIT), Book (NO), Minshew (PHL), Stidham (NE)
RB: Cord. Patterson (ATL), A. Collins (SEA), D. Dallas (SEA), K. Vaughn (TB), JJ Taylor (NE), S. Perine (CIN)
WR: M. Jones (JAX), Zaccheus (ATL), G. Olszewski (NE)
TE: B. Jarwin (DAL), D. Asiasi (NE)
IR: Tre' Q. Smith (NO), Tyrod Taylor (HOU), Chark Jr (JAX), R. Penny (SEA)

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby MontrealBen » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:37 am

QB -- Weaker in the short term and long term
RB -- Structure is still one stud with a bunch of ?s. The ?s now are at least largely stacked as whole backfields, so maybe you'll get a starter out of one of them
WR -- Prefer Golladay/Parker to Juju/Landry, so a slight downgrade
TE -- Fine, but nothing that moves the needle.

Altogether, I think you were probably in better shape with the original roster, but someone who assesses your RBs differently might disagree.

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby dblj1199 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:39 am

You lost out HUGE in your qb's mainly because you lost your best piece K Murray. Even losing ARod to big Ben is a downgrade. So to me you set your team way back at qb in a SF league. Your rb's are close, all depends on who your prefer Cook or Chubb, but that is pretty even to me. I'm not a fan of JuJu, I think you lost out slightly there but this is the strength of your roster. Your te's need a lot of help. How many draft picks were you able to add to your roster??
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RB- S Barkley, Pollard, B Hall, K Herbert, D Foreman, R Johnson, Zeke, J Robinson, Z White, J Wilson(i.r.), J McKinnon, J Mason, J Hill
WR- J Jefferson, Deebo, DJ Moore, OBJ, S Moore, J Jennings, C Austin, Trey Palmer
TE- Andrews, Higbee, Dulchich, Ferguson, D Washington
IDP(3)- P Queen,D Perryman, J Jewell, J Campbell, N Dean (i.r.)
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2025- 3, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby Sriracha » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:42 am

I just don't understand what happened to Kyler Murray and Aaron Rodgers.

I'd expect some serious upgrades elsewhere given how valuable those two pieces are in SF.. but nothin?

What's your draft pick situation look like?
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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby Gator Sens » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:43 am

dblj1199 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:39 am You lost out HUGE in your qb's mainly because you lost your best piece K Murray. Even losing ARod to big Ben is a downgrade. So to me you set your team way back at qb in a SF league. Your rb's are close, all depends on who your prefer Cook or Chubb, but that is pretty even to me. I'm not a fan of JuJu, I think you lost out slightly there but this is the strength of your roster. Your te's need a lot of help. How many draft picks were you able to add to your roster??
Good and fair thoughts here.

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby The MAC Machine » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:53 am

dblj1199 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:39 am You lost out HUGE in your qb's mainly because you lost your best piece K Murray. Even losing ARod to big Ben is a downgrade. So to me you set your team way back at qb in a SF league. Your rb's are close, all depends on who your prefer Cook or Chubb, but that is pretty even to me. I'm not a fan of JuJu, I think you lost out slightly there but this is the strength of your roster. Your te's need a lot of help. How many draft picks were you able to add to your roster??
During the draft I had traded
a 2021 1st for a 5th rounder (Sutton)
a 2021 2nd rounder and 20th round for a 10th rounder (Gronkowski)
KJ Hamler and a 2021 3rd for MVS

So I already had no 2021 picks, but in the process picked up an extra 2022 2nd.

Post updated with original starters in bold and
projected starters bolder and underline
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12 TEAM SUPERFLEX PPR
START: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 SUPERFLEX
ROSTER STARTERS
QB: S. Darnold (CAR)
RB: J. Jacobs (LV), L. Fournette (TB)
WR: Cooper (DAL), Ridley (ATL), M. Williams (LAC)
TE: R. Seals-Jones (WAS), M. Alie-Cox (IND)
FLEX: Sutton (DEN), J. Smith-Schuster (PIT), D. Harris (NE)
SUPERFLEX: M. Jones (NE)


BENCH:
QB: Rudolph (PIT), Book (NO), Minshew (PHL), Stidham (NE)
RB: Cord. Patterson (ATL), A. Collins (SEA), D. Dallas (SEA), K. Vaughn (TB), JJ Taylor (NE), S. Perine (CIN)
WR: M. Jones (JAX), Zaccheus (ATL), G. Olszewski (NE)
TE: B. Jarwin (DAL), D. Asiasi (NE)
IR: Tre' Q. Smith (NO), Tyrod Taylor (HOU), Chark Jr (JAX), R. Penny (SEA)

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby murphysxm » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:27 am

I just don't understand what pieces you added moving Cook and Kyler. There should be glaring upgrades somewhere and I don't see them.
I am just a guy sharing some thoughts

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby jomaed » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:00 pm

murphysxm wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:27 am I just don't understand what pieces you added moving Cook and Kyler. There should be glaring upgrades somewhere and I don't see them.
This. I thought I's scroll to the RBs and WRs and see upgrades, but it was just the opposite. Then I thought maybe there were like 4 2021 1sts involved, but I see only a 2nd in you response. Its like you just gave up Kyler (a top 5 SF asset for free). And you downgraded from Rodgers to Big Ben for scraps.

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby The MAC Machine » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:10 pm

murphysxm wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:27 am I just don't understand what pieces you added moving Cook and Kyler. There should be glaring upgrades somewhere and I don't see them.
Since we each start 12 players (144 league wide) and roster 40 (480 league wide) depth has shown to be really really important. More important than I initially realized. I didn’t even bother to list my entire original roster because much of it was just fodder (Ricardo Louis, James Proche, Kelvin Harmon, etc...). During the draft I was really banking on Howard to carry my RB2. But as that plan fell horribly short, along with Gronk getting off to a slow start and injuries beginning to decimate my WRs and TE spot, it became clear that winning now was not in the cards. It also became clear that if I didn’t get younger and build up some depth, rebuilding was going to be a long/slow/grinding process by which time Cook would be on the shorter end of the stick value wise. So I used the equity from my QBs and Cook mainly to
A) beef up my RB and WR depth
B) Add young talented TEs to pair with Jarwin moving forward (which was unbelievably challenging in a start 2 TE, 1.5 PPR league)
C) Maintain youth/get younger at RB/WR/Flex (p
(hence Golladay —> Juju, Cook —-> Chubb, D. Harris/Fulgham > Cobb/Fitz )

You’d be surprised. Murray and Rodgers actually didn’t provide me with enough competitive edge to overcome lack of depth and injuries - even having picked up James Robinson I was 0-3 or 4 and the lowest scoring team. So I aggressively attacked lack of depth hoping to cultivate a rebuild without relying on hit or miss draft picks. Instead I’m relying on hit or miss situations.

The main changes are subtle...
The Godwin Complex wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:26 am
Start 2-6 RB
Cook —-> Chubb
Howard/Breida —-> D. Harris/Michel/JJ Taylor
Tevin Coleman —-> Fournette/Vaughn
Lamar Miller —-> R. Penny/D. Dallas



Start 2-6 TE
Jarwin —-> Jarwin
Asiasi/Witten—-> SAME
Gronk —-> Cox
ADD —-> Njoku/Keene
Its worth noting (IMO) that I did this while keeping my young WR core in tact. Certainly the hit or miss situations at RB and TE are gambling a bunch for sure. 😅
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⛳️Jaguars will finish 11-6 and make the playoffs
⛳️If Sam Darnold finishes outside of the top 13 QB in 2021 then StripesOfKC & Sriracha get to decide what my new handle and icon will be. :thumbup:

12 TEAM SUPERFLEX PPR
START: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 SUPERFLEX
ROSTER STARTERS
QB: S. Darnold (CAR)
RB: J. Jacobs (LV), L. Fournette (TB)
WR: Cooper (DAL), Ridley (ATL), M. Williams (LAC)
TE: R. Seals-Jones (WAS), M. Alie-Cox (IND)
FLEX: Sutton (DEN), J. Smith-Schuster (PIT), D. Harris (NE)
SUPERFLEX: M. Jones (NE)


BENCH:
QB: Rudolph (PIT), Book (NO), Minshew (PHL), Stidham (NE)
RB: Cord. Patterson (ATL), A. Collins (SEA), D. Dallas (SEA), K. Vaughn (TB), JJ Taylor (NE), S. Perine (CIN)
WR: M. Jones (JAX), Zaccheus (ATL), G. Olszewski (NE)
TE: B. Jarwin (DAL), D. Asiasi (NE)
IR: Tre' Q. Smith (NO), Tyrod Taylor (HOU), Chark Jr (JAX), R. Penny (SEA)

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby jwb32 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:04 pm

Rodgers alone > Ben+Darnold. So you should have gotten a massive return for Murray. But it seems like that value just vanished.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
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TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04

TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby Ski mask ready » Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:11 pm

I’m not entirely sure what’s going on here but seems like it could be a “pat on my own back post” that completely backfired? Some of your trades are questionable and you’re in a superflex where it’s nearly impossible to replace guys like Kyler. Depending on scoring a Qb like Kyler is like A early round one startup asset. You should have improved at least two positions or got a slew of draft picks. I think that’s what everyone is saying here. What did you get in return for a top tier dynasty asset in SF? Seems like you maybe face away you’re most valuable piece.
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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby TD41 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:36 pm

It seems like you made moves to make them rather than actually finding ways to upgrade the roster. If you hadn't acquired Fulgham for what I assume was close to free this would feel even worse.

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby The MAC Machine » Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:47 pm

Thanks all! To clarify, this is def not a “pat on my back” post.

I was just looking for honest feedback. I know where most people stand on Murray/Rodgers in superflex - that was obvious to me. I guess the feedback I’m taking away from this is that the reinforcements at RB/TE long term aren’t really as noticeable or significant as I’d thought they might be in comparison to the QBs. :think: I ask for outside perspective to challenge my own, not to validate it. I appreciate everyone’s honesty and feedback. This is my first SUPERFLEX league so I’m still learning a lot.

I’m hoping a lot of things happen with Fournette, Penny, Darnold, Juju, Tate, Njoku, Keene, etc...that will play to my favor. But obviously that’s all risk.
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⛳️Jaguars will finish 11-6 and make the playoffs
⛳️If Sam Darnold finishes outside of the top 13 QB in 2021 then StripesOfKC & Sriracha get to decide what my new handle and icon will be. :thumbup:

12 TEAM SUPERFLEX PPR
START: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 SUPERFLEX
ROSTER STARTERS
QB: S. Darnold (CAR)
RB: J. Jacobs (LV), L. Fournette (TB)
WR: Cooper (DAL), Ridley (ATL), M. Williams (LAC)
TE: R. Seals-Jones (WAS), M. Alie-Cox (IND)
FLEX: Sutton (DEN), J. Smith-Schuster (PIT), D. Harris (NE)
SUPERFLEX: M. Jones (NE)


BENCH:
QB: Rudolph (PIT), Book (NO), Minshew (PHL), Stidham (NE)
RB: Cord. Patterson (ATL), A. Collins (SEA), D. Dallas (SEA), K. Vaughn (TB), JJ Taylor (NE), S. Perine (CIN)
WR: M. Jones (JAX), Zaccheus (ATL), G. Olszewski (NE)
TE: B. Jarwin (DAL), D. Asiasi (NE)
IR: Tre' Q. Smith (NO), Tyrod Taylor (HOU), Chark Jr (JAX), R. Penny (SEA)

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby RB6 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:21 pm

“Massive Underhaul for 2021”
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LJax, Burrow, Carr, Huntley, Heinicke, Cunningham
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, Kirk, Wiliams, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Hodgins, Hutchinson
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Ford, Moss, Dobbins, Dillon, Kelley, Tucker
Andrews, Higbee

PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington

PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF .5TEP
Stroud, Cousins, Willis, Mariota, Cunningham
Walker, J Cook, Miller, Zamir, Rodriguez, Carter, Penny
St. Brown, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Doubs, Metchie, Scott, Claypool
Kincaid, Dulcich, Fant, Turner, Hurst

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Re: Massive Overhaul for 2021

Postby Sriracha » Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:03 pm

The Godwin Complex wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:47 pm Thanks all! To clarify, this is def not a “pat on my back” post.

I was just looking for honest feedback. I know where most people stand on Murray/Rodgers in superflex - that was obvious to me. I guess the feedback I’m taking away from this is that the reinforcements at RB/TE long term aren’t really as noticeable or significant as I’d thought they might be in comparison to the QBs. :think: I ask for outside perspective to challenge my own, not to validate it. I appreciate everyone’s honesty and feedback. This is my first SUPERFLEX league so I’m still learning a lot.

I’m hoping a lot of things happen with Fournette, Penny, Darnold, Juju, Tate, Njoku, Keene, etc...that will play to my favor. But obviously that’s all risk.
All good, just gotta take your lumps and learn (although a little research wouldve shown you were vastly underrating elite QBs in SF).

Kyler would be similar to CMC or Saquon in 1QB value.

Aaron Rodgers should be seen as similar to Allen Robinson.

I know you may have lost games due to a lack of depth — but Depth is much much easier to acquire at other positions in a SF league. It’s even rarer to get high end QB1s even if you invest heavy draft capital (MM, Jameis, Mayfield, Darnold, etc -- the bust rate is high).


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