Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

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Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby pjb5150 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:41 am

On my 2nd team I have a trade on the table where I trade Keenan Allen, Hayden Hurst, Zach Moss and I receive Claypool, Reagor, a late 2021 2nd and a late 2022 2nd.

Should I accept?
Team 1
10 Team 1PPR - QB/RB/WR/TE/4 Flex( any combination of RB/WR/TE)/PK/DT/3 Rookie Taxi Squad
QB: Lamar Jackson, D. Jones
RB: C. McCaffery, J. Mixon, N. Chubb, J. Kelley, C. Edmonds, B. Snell
WR: K. Allen, M. Evans, T. McLaurin, Parris Campbell, D. Parker, D. Samuel, A. Lazard, B. Cooks, J. Jeudy, H. Ruggs, T. Higgins, L. Shenault,
TE: J. Smith, N. Fant
PK: G. Zuerlein
DEF: Washington Football Team, Los Angeles Rams

Team 2
12 Team 1PPR - QB/2RB/2WR/TE/2Flex/DEF
QB: C. Wentz, M. Stafford, S. Darnold
RB: N. Chubb, J. Kelley, B. Hill, F. Gore, J. Howard
WR: K. Golladay, D. Metkalf, C. Claypool, J. Reagor, M. Jones, J. Meyers, B. Berrios, V. Jefferson, M. Pittman
TE: J Graham, G. Olsen, H. Bryant
DEF: Pittsburgh Steelers, Cleveland Browns, Washington Football Team
Rookie Picks: 4 2021 1st rd rookie picks, 3 2021 2nd rd rookie picks

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:06 am

I think the Claypool/Reagor side is where the value is, and I also think that your team isn't likely to compete this season so moving one of your older WRs is a good move. Definite take for me.
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
Rodgers, Tannehill, Wentz
Jacobs, Ekeler, Conner, Taylor, Gaskin, D. Harris, McKinnon, Richard, Ahmed
AJB, Moore, Aiyuk, Claypool, Slayton, MVS, Agholor, J. Gordon, James
Andrews, Herndon,
IR(3): Sutton, Michel, Love
Taxi(4): Tua, G. Davis, Bowden
2021 Picks: 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Tannehill, Tua, Bridgewater
CEH, Ito, Barkley, Ito, J. Jackson, Richard, JJ Taylor, Homer, Love, Foreman
J. Jefferson, McLaurin, Jeudy, T. Higgins, Cooks, Berrios, Byrd, Berrios, C. Johnson, T. Johnson, Foster, J. Smith, Ford, Harmon
Hooper, Herndon
2021 Picks: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby Gator Sens » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:43 am

I would make the move if you are not contending/rebuilding. Allen is a great wr, but always underrated and aging. Could be his best value long term again, if you are not contending.

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby Rustycage » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:58 am

I'd make that trade. I am one of the people that undervalues Allen, so I'd move him for that. I also don't like Moss much. Hurts to move Hurst, but I really like Reagor and Claypool has looked really promising when he is starting.
Team 1: 12 Team Dynasty IDP
QB - Wentz, (IR, Dak)
RB - A. Jones, CEH, JKD, JT
WR - Hopkins, Golladay, Ridley, Hardman, Olabisi, Mooney, Reynolds, D. Robinson, Higgins, Pittman
TE - Fant, Gesicki,
DL: Garret, Young, Davenport, Aldon Smith, McKinley, Simmons
LB: Evans, White, D. Campbell, Goodson, Watt, Hitchens, (IR, McKinney)
DB: Neal, Vaccaro, Fuller, McLeod, Maye, Harris

2021: 1(early/mid), 4,5,6,6,7
2022: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7

Team 2: 12 Team Dynasty SF
QB - Darnold, Mayfield, Dalton, Haskins
RB - CMC, Kamara, Henry, Coleman, Breida, Guice
WR - Adams, Julio, Diontae, Reynolds, ARob, Tate, Pascal
TE - Waller, Hurst, Ian Thomas, O'Shaughnessy

2021: 3,4
2022: 1,2,3,4

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby abloom » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:02 am

Value is on the Allen side, but youth is on the Claypool/Reagor side.

If competing I stay Allen, if you are in a complete tear it down rebuild, I'd go for the youth.
Dynasty Team #1: 6-5 (7th place)
2019 2nd Place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill, Bridgewater
R: CMC,Taylor,Robinson,Fournette,Peterson
W: Evans,Edelman,Cobb,Davis,Mooney,Lazard(IR),Cole
T: Goedert(IR),Henry,Bryant,Dissly
D: NE,BAL
K: Bullock

2021 Picks: 1,2,4,5,6,7
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Dynasty Team #2: 11-0 (1st place-Clinched 1st round bye)
2019 3rd place
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson, Murray, Cousins, Trubisky
R: Cook, Dobbins, Swift, Monty, Michel(IR), Mattison
W: Nuk, Godwin, Metcalf, K Allen, Edwards, AB, Sutton(IR)
T: Kelce, Everett
K: Tucker
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1,1,4,4,5,6,7
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DLF advice forum league: 2-9 (12th place)
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes ,Tua, Mullens, Love, Flacco, Hoyer, Rypien, Bethard
R: Michel, Moss, Hyde, Bernard, Richard, Darrel Williams, Damien Williams, C Thompson
W: Juju, Cooper, Allen, Sanders, D Moore
T: Schultz, Doyle, Asiasi, Thomas

2021 Picks: 1,1,1,2,3,4,4,4

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:38 am

I don't like this trade at all. You should be able to get a more proven rookie than Reagor (unless you view Claypool as the centerpiece, but it appears he is the WR3 in Pitt).

Allen should net you a pair of 1sts from someone, or an early 21 First - way more liquid than specific players.
BOTH TEAMS BELOW ARE 1QB

TEAM A - 12 teams (19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Brees, Ryan, Tua
COOK/JACOBS/MIXON, Dobbins, Hunt, Swift, Singletary, Bell, B Hill, Wilkins
NUK/HILL/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Diontae J, Hollywood, Ruggs, Pittman, Hilton, Snead, G Davis
KITTLE, Waller, Akins, H Bryant
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Not listing my IDP, but they matter as much as offense in this league. Joey Bosa, D-Buck, Sweat, and Cam Jordan are my main studs.
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TEAM B - 32 teams, double copy - TEs get 1.5x bump in scoring
LAMAR, Rivers, Cousins, J Love
SAQUON/MIXON/CARSON, Dobbins, Gordon, Lindsay, Ingram, D Freeman, Clement
NUK/K ALLEN/JULIO/AROB, Evans, Thielen, DJ Moore, Lamb, Alshon
KITTLE/L Thomas, Ertz, Reed
Danielle Hunter, Aaron Donald, and Chris Jones are the cornerstones of my IDP squad.

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:40 am

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:38 am
I don't like this trade at all. You should be able to get a more proven rookie than Reagor (unless you view Claypool as the centerpiece, but it appears he is the WR3 in Pitt).

Allen should net you a pair of 1sts from someone, or an early 21 First - way more liquid than specific players.
Claypool > Reagor at this point. Also even if Claypool is the WR3 right now...he's a rookie and JuJu is likely to be somewhere else next season (I also think it's a fairly substantial overreaction to proclaim him the WR3 after multiple games where he appeared to be the top option just because he wasn't involved for one game...yes I know Johnson was hurt in those, but JuJu was not). This also just feels like redraft-y thinking. This is one of those deals that's likely to look extremely lopsided in a year or two in favor of the youth in a year or two. I'd rather have Claypool + Reagor than two random 1sts. I'd also rather have two seconds than Moss + Hurst.
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
Rodgers, Tannehill, Wentz
Jacobs, Ekeler, Conner, Taylor, Gaskin, D. Harris, McKinnon, Richard, Ahmed
AJB, Moore, Aiyuk, Claypool, Slayton, MVS, Agholor, J. Gordon, James
Andrews, Herndon,
IR(3): Sutton, Michel, Love
Taxi(4): Tua, G. Davis, Bowden
2021 Picks: 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Tannehill, Tua, Bridgewater
CEH, Ito, Barkley, Ito, J. Jackson, Richard, JJ Taylor, Homer, Love, Foreman
J. Jefferson, McLaurin, Jeudy, T. Higgins, Cooks, Berrios, Byrd, Berrios, C. Johnson, T. Johnson, Foster, J. Smith, Ford, Harmon
Hooper, Herndon
2021 Picks: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby murphysxm » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:56 am

hoos89 wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:40 am
This also just feels like redraft-y thinking. This is one of those deals that's likely to look extremely lopsided in a year or two in favor of the youth in a year or two. I'd rather have Claypool + Reagor than two random 1sts. I'd also rather have two seconds than Moss + Hurst.
That only works if you believe in Reagor, I don't. I also think Claypool is going to be like early career DeSean Jackson when he was a monster or a zero. Great for best ball, but tough to build around. I'd still want Allen for this price

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:17 pm

Claypool may be an unreliable option RoS, but he's a rookie and knocking a rookie for being boom/bust is ridiculous. I think it's reasonable to expect him to develop into a fantasy WR1 within 1-2 seasons (especially if JuJu moves on after this season).
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
Rodgers, Tannehill, Wentz
Jacobs, Ekeler, Conner, Taylor, Gaskin, D. Harris, McKinnon, Richard, Ahmed
AJB, Moore, Aiyuk, Claypool, Slayton, MVS, Agholor, J. Gordon, James
Andrews, Herndon,
IR(3): Sutton, Michel, Love
Taxi(4): Tua, G. Davis, Bowden
2021 Picks: 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Tannehill, Tua, Bridgewater
CEH, Ito, Barkley, Ito, J. Jackson, Richard, JJ Taylor, Homer, Love, Foreman
J. Jefferson, McLaurin, Jeudy, T. Higgins, Cooks, Berrios, Byrd, Berrios, C. Johnson, T. Johnson, Foster, J. Smith, Ford, Harmon
Hooper, Herndon
2021 Picks: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby murphysxm » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:16 pm

hoos89 wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:17 pm
Claypool may be an unreliable option RoS, but he's a rookie and knocking a rookie for being boom/bust is ridiculous. I think it's reasonable to expect him to develop into a fantasy WR1 within 1-2 seasons (especially if JuJu moves on after this season).
He has one game where he was given more than 4 targets. He is averaging 17 yards per catch. 90% of his production comes from 3 games, like 50% from his one blow up game. Pitt views him as a home run threat, Johnson is the rookie they see as the future #1. Facing a Tenn dst that focused on stopping him, made him invisible. I like him and want him on my roster, but I just don't see him as ever being consistent

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby CGW » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:21 pm

I like this move for you. Claypool and reagor are two high upside prospects in good situations. It may be a downgrade in current production but lots of upside and fair value for Allen. I prefer the picks to Hurst and moss.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Cousins, Darnold, Trubisky, Flacco, Walker
RB | Mixon, Singletary, Taylor, Gaskin, Wilkins, Ahmed
WR | Adams, Evans, Golladay, Cooper, D. Johnson, Washington, Miller, G. Davis, Mooney, Pascal
TE | Andrews, Alie-Cox, Sternberger

10 Team | SF | PPR
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Minshew, Tagovailoa
RB | Montgomery, Singletary, Murray, R. Jones, Dobbins, Swift, Vaughn
WR | Godwin, AJ Brown, Lamb, M. Brown, D. Johnson, Slayton, Aiyuk, Reynolds, Fulgham, Peoples-Jones, Mooney
TE | Andrews, Henry, Herndon, Sample

12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Wilson, Darnold, Trubisky, Fromme, Smith, Flacco
RB | Guice, Hines, Penny, Henderson, Wilkins
WR | Evans, Golladay, Ridley, Kupp, D. Johnson, Pittman, Fulgham, Mooney, Ward, T. Smith, Zaccheus
TE | Ertz, Herndon, Sternberger, L. Thomas

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby CGW » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:25 pm

murphysxm wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:16 pm
hoos89 wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:17 pm
Claypool may be an unreliable option RoS, but he's a rookie and knocking a rookie for being boom/bust is ridiculous. I think it's reasonable to expect him to develop into a fantasy WR1 within 1-2 seasons (especially if JuJu moves on after this season).
He has one game where he was given more than 4 targets. He is averaging 17 yards per catch. 90% of his production comes from 3 games, like 50% from his one blow up game. Pitt views him as a home run threat, Johnson is the rookie they see as the future #1. Facing a Tenn dst that focused on stopping him, made him invisible. I like him and want him on my roster, but I just don't see him as ever being consistent
Not being nitpicky(ok I do), but I believe you mean reciever rather than rookie.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Cousins, Darnold, Trubisky, Flacco, Walker
RB | Mixon, Singletary, Taylor, Gaskin, Wilkins, Ahmed
WR | Adams, Evans, Golladay, Cooper, D. Johnson, Washington, Miller, G. Davis, Mooney, Pascal
TE | Andrews, Alie-Cox, Sternberger

10 Team | SF | PPR
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Minshew, Tagovailoa
RB | Montgomery, Singletary, Murray, R. Jones, Dobbins, Swift, Vaughn
WR | Godwin, AJ Brown, Lamb, M. Brown, D. Johnson, Slayton, Aiyuk, Reynolds, Fulgham, Peoples-Jones, Mooney
TE | Andrews, Henry, Herndon, Sample

12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Wilson, Darnold, Trubisky, Fromme, Smith, Flacco
RB | Guice, Hines, Penny, Henderson, Wilkins
WR | Evans, Golladay, Ridley, Kupp, D. Johnson, Pittman, Fulgham, Mooney, Ward, T. Smith, Zaccheus
TE | Ertz, Herndon, Sternberger, L. Thomas

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Re: Keenan plus for Claypool & Reagor

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:34 pm

murphysxm wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:16 pm
hoos89 wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:17 pm
Claypool may be an unreliable option RoS, but he's a rookie and knocking a rookie for being boom/bust is ridiculous. I think it's reasonable to expect him to develop into a fantasy WR1 within 1-2 seasons (especially if JuJu moves on after this season).
He has one game where he was given more than 4 targets. He is averaging 17 yards per catch. 90% of his production comes from 3 games, like 50% from his one blow up game. Pitt views him as a home run threat, Johnson is the rookie they see as the future #1. Facing a Tenn dst that focused on stopping him, made him invisible. I like him and want him on my roster, but I just don't see him as ever being consistent
He has games of 4/81/1, 7/116/4 and 3/88/1. I think last week was the first where he didn't have at least one very impressive play. You're being wayyyyy too critical of a rookie by complaining that he's not consistent enough. I also think it's ridiculous to essentially penalize someone for essentially having "too big" of a week...if he'd only had 20 points in week 5 then under 30% of his production would be that week and he'd still be getting hyped. Also Johnson is not a rookie.

Claypool has the measurables to be a high level WR1 in the NFL and we've now seen him put together 3 very nice games in the first half of his rookie season. I just think it's insane to jump to the conclusion that he will never be consistent 6 weeks into his rookie season. I also don't think the lack of consistent targets argument is very persuasive when it comes to projecting upside rookies...if anything it's a positive that he's done as much as he was with so few opportunities. He's a rookie....it's reasonable to expect him to earn more opportunities as he develops.
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
Rodgers, Tannehill, Wentz
Jacobs, Ekeler, Conner, Taylor, Gaskin, D. Harris, McKinnon, Richard, Ahmed
AJB, Moore, Aiyuk, Claypool, Slayton, MVS, Agholor, J. Gordon, James
Andrews, Herndon,
IR(3): Sutton, Michel, Love
Taxi(4): Tua, G. Davis, Bowden
2021 Picks: 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Tannehill, Tua, Bridgewater
CEH, Ito, Barkley, Ito, J. Jackson, Richard, JJ Taylor, Homer, Love, Foreman
J. Jefferson, McLaurin, Jeudy, T. Higgins, Cooks, Berrios, Byrd, Berrios, C. Johnson, T. Johnson, Foster, J. Smith, Ford, Harmon
Hooper, Herndon
2021 Picks: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4

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