MT v. DK

[Edgy68]

For Wasteland, I thinking of offering M. Thomas for Metcalf and a mid-2nd. Metcalf looks fantastic and is on the rise, but is this enough for Thomas? I feel like it is an overpay, but I also feel Metcalf passes Thomas very soon. Sell too early than too late...

[Dynasty19]

DK side in my opinion. DK is tied to a great QB for longer also

[Rustycage]

I'm a huge DK fan, but I just don't see him getting enough targets to be better than MT in the next few years. I know Brees is likely done after this year, or next at the latest, but Winston is waiting to throw 40TDs/30ints once Brees retires. I'd want an extra 1st on top of DK to give up MT.

[McCafsteez]

Wow, this is out of control. There is no way DK is only a 2nd away from MT. The hype of this forum is just too much sometimes.

[Gator Sens]

Thomas pretty easily for me. Let him get back on the field and we will all remember who he is.

[The Showstopper]

This is DK easy for me...5/6 years younger, tied to Russel long term...Thomas looks to be heading down the Trade Me path...Even if he stays, how many years with Brees? I offered Adams for DK and was turned down....By start up draft next year DK is the # 1 WR off the board....

[hoos89]

Wow, this is out of control. There is no way DK is only a 2nd away from MT. The hype of this forum is just too much sometimes.

I assure it's not just this forum. If you look at fantasypros dynasty rankings and sort by last two weeks...average is MT 6, DK 8.

[Dibbles]

Not to hijack the post, but as a strong competitor in 12-team 2QB league where I also own Russ, would you move MT for DK + mid-to-late 1st right now?

[Rustycage]

I admit I am finding it elsewhere also, DK is rated as the #1 dynasty WR on one of the sites I visit. I just don't see the targets to make him better than MT.

[hoos89]

Not to hijack the post, but as a strong competitor in 12-team 2QB league where I also own Russ, would you move MT for DK + mid-to-late 1st right now?

Yeah probably

I admit I am finding it elsewhere also, DK is rated as the #1 dynasty WR on one of the sites I visit. I just don't see the targets to make him better than MT.

Sure but this is dynasty not redraft. He doesn't turn 23 for a couple months, is tied to Russ for the foreseeable future, and is producing in a big way early in his career. Meanwhile MT is currently hurt (with an injury that could continue to hamper him even when he returns), his future at QB is unclear (and present QB situation is questionable too), and he's starting to show some prima donna WR tendencies.

[Indyfan1985]

Thomas pretty easily for me. Let him get back on the field and we will all remember who he is.

Exactly.

I don't know why folks are so keen on trading away superstar players when their value is down.

[nathanq42]

I would take DK straight up over MT, but Im a huge Hawks fan, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

I love MT, he is great, and will be great well into his 30s with the way he wins in the NFL, everyone dogs him for only running slant and other short-intermediate routes. But with that being said, he still wins on a tonne of his routes because he is that damn good.

At DK's current 20 PPG pace, do we really expect MT to meaningfully beat that? Last year, which we can all admit is likely MT's ceiling (not a bad ceiling to have), MT's PPG was 23.4. So a 3.5 PPG difference between DK's sophomore (which may end up being his best year as well) year and MT's best year, not that big IMO. Now take into consideration MT's has major situational uncertainty (Brees constantly flirting with retiring, plus not looking so hot this year, Payton constantly flirting with stepping away as well, likely to leave with Brees, NOLA's contention window closing), and DK's situational certainty (Russ is locked up, Pete aint slowing down for anything). Couple all of this with the fact that DK is coming up on 23 years old as a sophomore and MT is just about to crest 28.

TLDR; DK is younger, marginally less productive as a sophomore compared to MT's likely best season ever, and has a more stable and better situation.

Only way DK would fall behind MT/Hopkins/Adams is if he reaggravates his neck injury that required surgery in college.

Edit: Now with that said, based on current ADP values and all that jazz, I think you will likely be able to get a little bit more on top of DK if you let MT play and ball out, but that runs the risk of MT not balling out and losing out on getting DK + for MT when IMO it should be MT + for DK

[hoos89]

I think people are saying that DK's performance is less stable in large part due to volume. So yeah he has 20.0 PPG so far but is he going to maintain that for a full season? I'm sure if you took MT's best 6 game stretch ever it would compare favorably.

MT has also performed at a high level for several years in a row now (every year since entering the league), so can fairly be viewed as the far more established / reliable player.

[Edgy68]

Well, we've seemed to hit on a hot comparison. I understand that MT is down now and that it is a little too early to anoint DK top WR while he is ascending. I also plan to ask for more in my initial offer, hoping to capitalize on the fact that MT has been historically good and that we're in Ohio (he's a Buckeye). The question should have read "should I settle for a 2nd on top". It's just that I've been retooling this team little by little while staying on top of the league.
My only worry was perception of his value if he comes back and shows slower than usual. He wins with precise route running and vacuums for hands, there isn't always much separation now. If he's hampered in any way, he may lose that value perception and a trade like this would trend towards straight up without any sweeteners.

You folks have given me quite a bit to think about. Thank you.

[chubnubbin]

DK > MT, also less of a head case.