RBs bad, WRs good, help with trade please!

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RBs bad, WRs good, help with trade please!

Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:32 am

In my Dynasty #4 (in signature) my RBs are bad and my WRs are good.
Could/should I move a WR for a RB?
And if so, which one?
Or should I ride with five really good WR and hope it offsets?
12-man league, 1 ppr, we start qb-rb-rb-rb-wr-wr-wr-wr-te-flex-k-d.

My starting RBs right now are Conner, DJohnson, and garbage RB3 (Breida, Edmonds, JHoward, Cohen IR, etc.)
My starting WRs are Tyreek, Golladay, KAllen, Jeudy, and Jefferson. (Bench is AMiller, Amendola, Alshon, Berrios)

I was thinking Keenan Allen was the guy to move? What RB could I ask for in return? Here are some ideas:

Montgomery
Singletary
Gibson
Swift
Hunt
Carson
Drake
Mostert
JRobinson
Gurley
Bell

Thoughts? Thanks!
Last edited by wickerkat1212 on Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: RBs bad, WRs good, help with trade please!

Postby MyTeam » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:41 am

You should be able to get most of those guys for Allen. I would ask the Robinson owner what they want and if I give Allen, I'd expect something back.
Team 1: 12 team, PPR
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex

Mahomes, Lawrence
Najee, Swift, Javonte, Jamaal W, Murray
DK, DJM, Juju, Jameson, Gallup, Van
Pitts, Friermuth
1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 1.12, 3.10, 2 firsts next year

Team 2: 12 Team, SF TEP (1.5 PPR)
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex, 1 SF

Mahomes, Burrow, Cousins, Rudolph
CEH, Swift, Gibson, Jacobs, Mattison, Scott, McFarland
DK, AJB, Ridley, McLaurin, Kupp, Landry, Mims, Hamler, Miller, Johnson, Robinson
Andrews, H. Henry, Sternberger, Alie-Cox, Herndon

Same as Team 2
Watson, Burrow, Lance, Z. Wilson
Pollard, Mattison
Chase, D. Smith, Boyd, Hardman, E. Moore, Cephus, A. Rodgers, Harry, Boykin, A. Tate, Miller
Hockenson, Thomas, Albert O, Njoku
3 additional firsts

Same as Team 2
TLaw, Burrow, Watson, Darnold
CEH, Gus, Cohen
Juju, Chark, Shenault, Boyd, Landry, Renfrow, Robinson,
Engram, Kmet, Firkser, Schultz, Arnold, Herndon
5 additional firsts

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Re: RBs bad, WRs good, help with trade please!

Postby Gator Sens » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:55 am

Based on your build, here are my thoughts for the guys you listed if Robinson were the piece you are moving:

Montgomery - I would need an early 1st on top
Singletary - pass
Gibson - I would need a 1st on top.
Swift - Could be good value long term, but would still want a pick on top. Tough week to be trying to buy Swift and get value.
Hunt - I would need a 1st on top with Chubb coming back
Carson - pretty close in value based on production if healthy, but may need a 2nd on top.
Drake - I would need an early 1st on top.
Mostert - hold off until you see what the injury is.
JRobinson - pass, he is fading a bit.
Gurley - pass
Bell - pass

Outside of the right price, Robinson is a tough sell because he seems undervalued and is a much better player then I feel must owners will give for him.

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Re: RBs bad, WRs good, help with trade please!

Postby Vcize » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:15 am

I think you have to be realistic about things.

You really need to look at the other team. The reality is in the current NFL probably most of the teams in your league are in the same situation as you. Everyone has a bevy of WRs. And everyone needs running backs. So when you're looking to move a WR for a RB you're probably going to have to give up some value and aren't likely to get trades accepted where the value is equal.

So first order of business is probably seeing if any of the teams with those guys have extra RBs or are bereft of WRs. Most likely there are only 1 or 2 teams in your league in that situation if any, so I would focus on those first. Everyone else is going to tell you they are trying to move WRs for RBs themselves, so why would they make a deal in the opposite direction unles they're getting a huge win on value.
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Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:28 am

MyTeam wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:41 am You should be able to get most of those guys for Allen. I would ask the Robinson owner what they want and if I give Allen, I'd expect something back.
Thanks
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:28 am

Gator Sens wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:55 am Based on your build, here are my thoughts for the guys you listed if Robinson were the piece you are moving:

Montgomery - I would need an early 1st on top
Singletary - pass
Gibson - I would need a 1st on top.
Swift - Could be good value long term, but would still want a pick on top. Tough week to be trying to buy Swift and get value.
Hunt - I would need a 1st on top with Chubb coming back
Carson - pretty close in value based on production if healthy, but may need a 2nd on top.
Drake - I would need an early 1st on top.
Mostert - hold off until you see what the injury is.
JRobinson - pass, he is fading a bit.
Gurley - pass
Bell - pass

Outside of the right price, Robinson is a tough sell because he seems undervalued and is a much better player then I feel must owners will give for him.
Moving KEENAN ALLEN, sorry if that wasn't clear. So for Keenan Allen Carson is the best one for one here?
Last edited by wickerkat1212 on Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:24 am, edited 2 times in total.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: RBs bad, WRs good, help with trade please!

Postby Gator Sens » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:31 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:28 am
Gator Sens wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:55 am Based on your build, here are my thoughts for the guys you listed if Robinson were the piece you are moving:

Montgomery - I would need an early 1st on top
Singletary - pass
Gibson - I would need a 1st on top.
Swift - Could be good value long term, but would still want a pick on top. Tough week to be trying to buy Swift and get value.
Hunt - I would need a 1st on top with Chubb coming back
Carson - pretty close in value based on production if healthy, but may need a 2nd on top.
Drake - I would need an early 1st on top.
Mostert - hold off until you see what the injury is.
JRobinson - pass, he is fading a bit.
Gurley - pass
Bell - pass

Outside of the right price, Robinson is a tough sell because he seems undervalued and is a much better player then I feel must owners will give for him.
Moving Kyle ALLEN, sorry if that wasn't clear. So for Kyle Allen Carson is the best one for one here?
I guess I completely misunderstood that, sorry! I would be happy with almost any of these guys for Kyle Allen long term. I would be weary of: Singletary, Gurley, Mostert and Bell long term, but still decent value for Allen, but I don't view him as a long term starter.

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Re: RBs bad, WRs good, help with trade please!

Postby dd041496 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:33 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:28 am
Gator Sens wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:55 am Based on your build, here are my thoughts for the guys you listed if Robinson were the piece you are moving:

Montgomery - I would need an early 1st on top
Singletary - pass
Gibson - I would need a 1st on top.
Swift - Could be good value long term, but would still want a pick on top. Tough week to be trying to buy Swift and get value.
Hunt - I would need a 1st on top with Chubb coming back
Carson - pretty close in value based on production if healthy, but may need a 2nd on top.
Drake - I would need an early 1st on top.
Mostert - hold off until you see what the injury is.
JRobinson - pass, he is fading a bit.
Gurley - pass
Bell - pass

Outside of the right price, Robinson is a tough sell because he seems undervalued and is a much better player then I feel must owners will give for him.
Moving Kyle ALLEN, sorry if that wasn't clear. So for Kyle Allen Carson is the best one for one here?
If I get an offer of Kyle Allen for Carson, I laugh and don’t even send an offer back. But that’s just me.
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1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX, K, DEF
QB- Burrow, Watson
RB- Kamara, Jacobs, Gibbs, K Williams, Gibson, CEH
WR- Jefferson, Hill, Godwin, M Brown, Collins
TE- Kelce, Schultz

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Postby Gator Sens » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:36 am

dd041496 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:33 am
wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:28 am
Gator Sens wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:55 am Based on your build, here are my thoughts for the guys you listed if Robinson were the piece you are moving:

Montgomery - I would need an early 1st on top
Singletary - pass
Gibson - I would need a 1st on top.
Swift - Could be good value long term, but would still want a pick on top. Tough week to be trying to buy Swift and get value.
Hunt - I would need a 1st on top with Chubb coming back
Carson - pretty close in value based on production if healthy, but may need a 2nd on top.
Drake - I would need an early 1st on top.
Mostert - hold off until you see what the injury is.
JRobinson - pass, he is fading a bit.
Gurley - pass
Bell - pass

Outside of the right price, Robinson is a tough sell because he seems undervalued and is a much better player then I feel must owners will give for him.
Moving Kyle ALLEN, sorry if that wasn't clear. So for Kyle Allen Carson is the best one for one here?
If I get an offer of Kyle Allen for Carson, I laugh and don’t even send an offer back. But that’s just me.
It's pretty bad for sure ha ha.

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Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:38 am

Vcize wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:15 am I think you have to be realistic about things.

You really need to look at the other team. The reality is in the current NFL probably most of the teams in your league are in the same situation as you. Everyone has a bevy of WRs. And everyone needs running backs. So when you're looking to move a WR for a RB you're probably going to have to give up some value and aren't likely to get trades accepted where the value is equal.

So first order of business is probably seeing if any of the teams with those guys have extra RBs or are bereft of WRs. Most likely there are only 1 or 2 teams in your league in that situation if any, so I would focus on those first. Everyone else is going to tell you they are trying to move WRs for RBs themselves, so why would they make a deal in the opposite direction unles they're getting a huge win on value.
Well, yes, of course, you make some excellent points here. Agree 100%.

Buiznitch may be the guy to target. He has the 5th best RB, but the worst WR.

RB: Jacobs, Gibson, Swift, Gore, Burkhead, Jamaal Williams, Vaughn, Gallman, Ty Johnson, Samuels
WR: DParker, ESanders, Edelman, SMiller, MVS, JReynolds, Stills, Zay, DeSean

Maybe I could offer Allen + Cohen for Gibson + garbage? Or Swift instead of Gibson. Both are about the same.

(Trade analyzer here at DLF has either of these trades as in HIS favor. 404 > 302 for Gibson, 404 > 383 for Swift.)

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D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Postby jomaed » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:47 am

I dont understand. The only Allen I see in your #4 is the WR. And I dont see that this is a SF league. Kyle Allen is worth absolutely nothing in that format.

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Postby Gator Sens » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:57 am

jomaed wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:47 am I dont understand. The only Allen I see in your #4 is the WR. And I dont see that this is a SF league. Kyle Allen is worth absolutely nothing in that format.
I assumed it was Robinson too, hence all my response before finding out it was the QB. I figured it was SF with Kyle Allen being any type of trade option. I guess we will find out.

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Postby jomaed » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:00 am

Gator Sens wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:57 am
jomaed wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:47 am I dont understand. The only Allen I see in your #4 is the WR. And I dont see that this is a SF league. Kyle Allen is worth absolutely nothing in that format.
I assumed it was Robinson too, hence all my response before finding out it was the QB. I figured it was SF with Kyle Allen being any type of trade option. I guess we will find out.
I actually assumed Keenan :lol:

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Postby Iamwebb223 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:04 am

jomaed wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:47 am I dont understand. The only Allen I see in your #4 is the WR. And I dont see that this is a SF league. Kyle Allen is worth absolutely nothing in that format.
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Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:21 am

KEENAN ALLEN, so sorry, thought it was obvious. My bad. Forgot Kyle Allen even existed. And yes, I typed Kyle by accident. LOL. Sorry. My bad.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble


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